Best/Worse Political Event in 2009!

[hegma]

Originally Posted by Crystal Soul

we ll begin by baabda: ur ally with HA helped u to win then b baabda u couldn't win without them wa2ella y have u lost in the election that came befor 2009?

first i want to tell u again that '7oulafe2na mneftekher fiyon'..
in baabda we got 45000 and the other list 35000... HA helped us, we thank them for their support but it doesn't mean that we cannot say alone we got these numbers, if the lf for example were allied with HA and we are with all the others, do you think they can have more than 10000 vote?...

passing by jezzine: mp helou is an ally for u and he's not an fpmer

jezzine our allies were against us, and the other list didn't get more than 6000 votes...

to keserwan: gilbert zwein , naamtalla abi nasr and yousef khalil are not fpmer they are ur 7oulafa

do u think that gilberte zoueine and naamtallah abi nasr can change the results?? w aslan cha3biyet yousef khalil and gilberte zoueine are all fpmers..

metn: tachnag are ur 7oulafa then tell me where did u won the election without us??( us meaning 7oulafa)

no tachnag are not 7oulafa... they are menna w fina...

btw it s not a mistake to win an election with the help of ur 7oulafa:P

sure, and as 7oulafe2na helped us in some places we helped them in other ones..

and btw we love general aoun more then u do for sure ..... and yes C&R are 27 not aounist alone

and we love our 7oulafa toooooooooooooooooooo much, and espacially l batrak... and again i want to tell you that yes we are not alone in the C&R but for sure if we were alone the c&r were more than 27... (w bala ma fout be tafassil enno why w heik...)

10x

ur welcome, w enta l batrak ya slaymen..

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by hegma

first i want to tell u again that '7oulafe2na mneftekher fiyon'..
in baabda we got 45000 and the other list 35000... HA helped us, we thank them for their support but it doesn't mean that we cannot say alone we got these numbers, if the lf for example were allied with HA and we are with all the others, do you think they can have more than 10000 vote?...

yes man FPms are not God, they CANT work alone no matter how popular they are, face it they need their allies to get some votes ( mesh daroureh men HA)

Originally Posted by hegma

jezzine our allies were against us, and the other list didn't get more than 6000 votes...

Berri isn't ur ally, Berri 7alif 7alifak

Originally Posted by hegma

no tachnag are not 7oulafa... they are menna w fina..

glad to hear that

Originally Posted by hegma

sure, and as 7oulafe2na helped us in some places we helped them in other ones..

thats my point; in some areas face it u couldnt have won without ur allies

Originally Posted by hegma

and we love our 7oulafa toooooooooooooooooooo much, and espacially l batrak... and again i want to tell you that yes we are not alone in the C&R but for sure if we were alone the c&r were more than 27... (w bala ma fout be tafassil enno why w heik...)

wlak to2bourni w we love u too

Originally Posted by hegma

w enta l batrak ya slaymen..

w enta el Cardinal ya Sleiman

[Kain]

Originally Posted by hegma

and again i want to tell you that yes we are not alone in the C&R but for sure if we were alone the c&r were more than 27... (w bala ma fout be tafassil enno why w heik...)

I've very interested in this point. Care to elaborate?

[hegma]

Originally Posted by Kain

(w bala ma fout be tafassil enno why w heik...)<br/>
I've very interested in this point. Care to elaborate?

it's very simple man, we all know that if FPM were alone, USA and KSA wouldn't be against them...
but we also know that GMA have principles and is always allied with lebanese even if the world is against us...

[Kain]

Originally Posted by hegma

it's very simple man, we all know that if FPM were alone, USA and KSA wouldn't be against them...
but we also know that GMA have principles and is always allied with lebanese even if the world is against us...

There is no political party that would have succeeded in lebanon if not allied with other parties. GMA and FPM could not have possibly been alone, taking into consideration the fact that he arrived in the time where a clear separation of 14M and 8M took place and FPM had to be clear on the path it chose.

Your assumption is based on no clear basis. Choosing sides back then was a must.

Now if you mean being alone in the 2009 elections then that's even worse. Because without your allies you would not have gotten many of your candidates.
Ya3ne if you were to stand alone without going against USA does not mean that 14M will just let you take away their opportunity for an easy victory.
Don't think that standing alone without supporting Hezbollah would have gotten you where you are.

Dabbouké is 100% right and so is crystal soul. the C&R bloc owes it power to the fact that it is made out of many allies and not just one party and without those allies you would not have gotten where you are.

ya3ne if FPM was alone USA and KSA would STILL be against them because it simply are not with them.

[hegma]

Originally Posted by Kain

There is no political party that would have succeeded in lebanon if not allied with other parties. GMA and FPM could not have possibly been alone, taking into consideration the fact that he arrived in the time where a clear separation of 14M and 8M took place and FPM had to be clear on the path it chose.

Now if you mean being alone in the 2009 elections then that's even worse. Because without your allies you would not have gotten many of your candidates.
Ya3ne if you were to stand alone without going against USA does not mean that 14M will just let you take away their opportunity for an easy victory.
Don't think that standing alone without supporting Hezbollah would have gotten you where you are.

ya3ne if FPM was alone USA and KSA would STILL be against them because it simply are not with them.

100% incorrect, i think you heard HN when he said that he respect GMA because GMA knows that if he stands against HA he'll get more votes from christians and sunnis and druzes... please don't just defend, try to know what im talking about first, because im not attacking any party, im just telling you that we as FPMer even if all the world is against us we don't change our principles and allies...

and you can take into consideration that GMA arrived were a clear seperation took place and he stands alone and was able to get 100% in maten and keserwen, jbeil and zahle, and if the new law was in 2005.. im sure that jezzine ashrafiye koura batroun baabda would also be for us..

ya3neh alone we can have 8+5+3+7+3+5+3+2+5= more than 40 mps...
im not saying that we should be alone because in lebanon we are not alone, and yes KSA and USA are against us, but it's not because simply they are against us, it's because we CHOOSE TO BE AGAINST them... (against the petrodollards)

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by hegma

100% incorrect, i think you heard HN when he said that he respect GMA because GMA knows that if he stands against HA he'll get more votes from christians and sunnis and druzes... please don't just defend, try to know what im talking about first, because im not attacking any party, im just telling you that we as FPMer even if all the world is against us we don't change our principles and allies...

and you can take into consideration that GMA arrived were a clear seperation took place and he stands alone and was able to get 100% in maten and keserwen, jbeil and zahle, and if the new law was in 2005.. im sure that jezzine ashrafiye koura batroun baabda would also be for us..

ya3neh alone we can have 8+5+3+7+3+5+3+2+5= more than 40 mps...
im not saying that we should be alone because in lebanon we are not alone, and yes KSA and USA are against us, but it's not because simply they are against us, it's because we CHOOSE TO BE AGAINST them... (against the petrodollards)

I suggest u go into 2013's elections alone, yetla3o kel el 3awnyeh a7san ma ne5sar ka mou3arada since u have this confidence that FPM can do it alone, since GMA is smart and knows this balelo hal fawteh

man u say we love our allies but we dont need them, fa ezan ywafer 3a 7alo GMA ihenet metel " 3abid sourya w 5adem iran" w yeshteghel la 7alo I would love to see if u are going to get those 40 mps

no disrespect to GMA, i love the guy, we need him and he needs us, that's what being " allies" is all about

iza mano 3ayezna ywafer 3a 7alo msabeit w yfek kel ta7eloufeto w farjina iza bi jami3 at least the same score

[hegma]

Originally Posted by The Legend Killer

man u say we love our allies but we dont need them, fa ezan ywafer 3a 7alo GMA ihenet metel " 3abid sourya w 5adem iran" w yeshteghel la 7alo I would love to see if u are going to get those 40 mps

whatever GMA does the LF will attack us.. and no one can say something negative about GMA, those are not ihenet, those are chhedet... or don't you know that "2iza attatni mazammaton men nakkissen, fa hiya chahada bi2anni kamilen"...

and yes we love our allies and we need them, and they need us too (i said that and you said it too) this mean that you agree that HA needs us... so do you think that if HA wasn't ally with FPM, they would have less MPs???
no man...
I'm sure that you need us, but the elections have nothing to do with these needs.. ta7eloufna mech entikhabeh, ta7aloufna mabda2eh...
and be sure that we need you too, but not because we want more MPs, it's because you are lebanese, and we have the same principles (ila 7aden ma)....

please try to understand w bala ta3assob..

[RAM BÓY™]

GMA don't need any opinion from us then GMA from 1988 till 2005 was alone and he don't need anyone for masla7a

Originally Posted by hegma

and be sure that we need you too, but not because we want more MPs, it's because you are lebanese, and we have the same principles (ila 7aden ma)....

please try to understand w bala ta3assob..

that's 100% what i mean
btw law we want more MPs ma kenna mnet7elaf ma3 HA cz we all know enno 3am net7erab mn wara ta7elofna ma3 el HA
so stop it ma3o 7a2 HEGMA without HA menjib more then 27 akid

[El-Meghwar]

With all my respect to all of you guys, but your replies are quiet childish.
FPM's popularity in the Christian street didn't decrease because of the alliance with Hezbollah.
Actually the difference between the votes that FPM got in 2005 and 2009 was due to petrodollars money and bringing the Lebanese from abroad in order to vote for the loyalists.
Anyway those who voted for FPM in 2005, did the same in 2009, very rare are those who changed their minds because of the MoU with Hezbollah, and those who did are not FPMers anyway, because a real FPMer would have valued this most important step in Lebanon's History.

saying that FPM were going to win more than 27 MPs if it wasn't allied with HA is very stupid.
FPM wouldn't have won anything alone, because the whole world was against us, and sure he would have been against us even if we were not allied to HA.

The C&R bloc won 27 seats all over Lebanon, specifically in the Christian regions due to its strength, and yes because we had powerful allies who are partners in this victory.

Now saying that we need HA and HA needs us is also stupid.
Hezbollah doesn't need anyone in Lebanon, they can stand all alone and they are the most powerful to do it.
FPM doesn't need anyone in Lebanon neither, they were alone for 15 years and they stood up against the whole world.
But how would the country looks like if this MoU haven't existed?
try to imagine a 2006 war without this MoU, or a 7 May 2008...
This MoU was made because it's a necessity between two patriotic major parties in Lebanon.

So stop this non-sense.
Yes we have allies, but no one needs no one.
GMA is the head of C&R bloc even if not all the deputies are FPMers. and when we say GMA alone got half what all the others majmou3in were able to get, it means GMA as the head of C&R bloc.
FPM is the major force in the Christian street, they didn't invite anyone to join them, but others declared their loyalty to General Aoun when he came back, and of course houwwe mesh rabeton (his allies in C&R bloc).

regards.