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Old 01-14-2010   #41
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Hegma, i only mentioned HA as an example w enta ma la2et gher hay la tne2erne fiha bi kell shi 7kito??
Shou jeb l beb lal ta2a???

I clearly mentioned it as an example just like i stated the U.S as an example.
My only point was that FPM alone with no alliances could not have gotten where it is today. I did not ignore the fact that FPM has principles or that FPMers are willing to die for those principles.
I was criticizing the "ta3assob" i saw from your side when you claimed that FPM can do it without anyone.

My reply was to clarify that FPM would naturally have to ally itself with a certain side...NOT BECAUSE OF INTERESTS, but because one of those sides would be more in tune with FPM's principles, WHICH is why FPM allied itself with HA...because of that very same principle.


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GMA don't need any opinion from us then GMA from 1988 till 2005


And i was also clear when i said AFTER 2005. Those are two totally different times in lebanese history.



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With all my respect to all of you guys, but your replies are quiet childish.
FPM's popularity in the Christian street didn't decrease because of the alliance with Hezbollah.
Actually the difference between the votes that FPM got in 2005 and 2009 was due to petrodollars money and bringing the Lebanese from abroad in order to vote for the loyalists.
Hegma and RAM BOY constantly argued by saying FPM did not need their allies ( yes yes you love them). What i said was simply to show that an FPM without any allies on the lebanese street would not have made it as big since they would still be up against the petrodollars, not to mention running an election without any allies.


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saying that FPM were going to win more than 27 MPs if it wasn't allied with HA is very stupid.
FPM wouldn't have won anything alone, because the whole world was against us, and sure he would have been against us even if we were not allied to HA.

The C&R bloc won 27 seats all over Lebanon, specifically in the Christian regions due to its strength, and yes because we had powerful allies who are partners in this victory.

Now saying that we need HA and HA needs us is also stupid.
Hezbollah doesn't need anyone in Lebanon, they can stand all alone and they are the most powerful to do it.
FPM doesn't need anyone in Lebanon neither, they were alone for 15 years and they stood up against the whole world.
But how would the country looks like if this MoU haven't existed?
try to imagine a 2006 war without this MoU, or a 7 May 2008...
This MoU was made because it's a necessity between two patriotic major parties in Lebanon.

So stop this non-sense.
Yes we have allies, but no one needs no one.
GMA is the head of C&R bloc even if not all the deputies are FPMers. and when we say GMA alone got half what all the others majmou3in were able to get, it means GMA as the head of C&R bloc.
FPM is the major force in the Christian street, they didn't invite anyone to join them, but others declared their loyalty to General Aoun when he came back, and of course houwwe mesh rabeton (his allies in C&R bloc).

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All of this is irrelevant since it was a misunderstanding from your part. I said nothing of a sort.

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100% incorrect,
Ma 7zeret
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i think you heard HN when he said that he respect GMA because GMA knows that if he stands against HA he'll get more votes from christians and sunnis and druzes...
But the FPM "alone" case would not apply then now would it? Kamen i did not mean only HA...this was just an example.

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please don't just defend, try to know what im talking about first,
I could say the same to you to.

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because im not attacking any party
Nor am i.

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im just telling you that we as FPMer even if all the world is against us we don't change our principles and allies...
w kermel hek ento wa7ad wa7ad 3ala rase w 3ayne. Because of the very principles you uphold.


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Old 01-14-2010   #42
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Hegma and RAM BOY constantly argued by saying FPM did not need their allies ( yes yes you love them). What i said was simply to show that an FPM without any allies on the lebanese street would not have made it as big since they would still be up against the petrodollars, not to mention running an election without any allies.




All of this is irrelevant since it was a misunderstanding from your part. I said nothing of a sort.
You were not meant by my post, I wasn't replying to yours.

I was replying to Hegma, The Legend Killer and RAMBOY because they were fighting over nothing!
And i guess i made a clear point that meets with your opinion.

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You were not meant by my post, I wasn't replying to yours.

I was replying to Hegma, The Legend Killer and RAMBOY because they were fighting over nothing!
And i guess i made a clear point that meets with your opinion.

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your replies are quiet childish...
saying that FPM ........ is very stupid.
I was replying to Hegma ........ because they were fighting over nothing!
read your post many time and you will see that all what i was telling is what you post, but you considered my posts childish... no problem but please let me help you in checking your post where you answered yourself..
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FPM's popularity in the Christian street didn't decrease because of the alliance with Hezbollah.
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.due to petrodollars money
.bringing the Lebanese from abroad in order to vote for the loyalists.
.very rare are those who changed their minds because of the MoU with Hezbollah
All of those was because we are allied with HA and it's not only me who say that, we all know that, and even HN spoke about it before the elections when he was speaking about GMA...
I don't mean that I'm against this alliance, we are proud of this alliance and i told that to Kain, but in the christian street we have some stupid people who are afraid from HA (you said that they are very rare but they exist), and we have also those who BYENCHARO...

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saying that FPM were going to win more than 27 MPs if it wasn't allied with HA is very stupid.
FPM wouldn't have won anything alone..
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FPM doesn't need anyone in Lebanon neither, But how would the country looks like if this MoU haven't existed?
This MoU was made because it's a necessity between two patriotic major parties in Lebanon.
this is what i wrote in my reply to kain...
"and be sure that we need you too, but not because we want more MPs, it's because you are lebanese, and we have the same principles.."
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Hezbollah doesn't need anyone in Lebanon, they can stand all alone and they are the most powerful to do it.
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try to imagine a 2006 war without this MoU...
so i think they also need us...

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Hegma, i only mentioned HA as an example w enta ma la2et gher hay la tne2erne fiha bi kell shi 7kito??
Shou jeb l beb lal ta2a???
I was criticizing the "ta3assob" i saw from your side when you claimed that FPM can do it without anyone.
it's not because you mentioned HA, it is because i want to talk about this alliance, and those stupid not lfers christians who voted for the LF(w tawebe3on)...
and it's not my case, im just talking about the ta3assob l mawjoud be ras 10% men l not lfers christians..

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im just telling you that we as FPMers even if all the world is against us we don't change our principles and allies..."
w kermel hek ento wa7ad wa7ad 3ala rase w 3ayne. Because of the very principles you uphold.
law ma kennach akkidin enno 7oulafe2na ashraf l ness, ma kenna t7elafna ma3on... so be sure enno ento kamen 3a rasna..
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Guyz Dont shift Out of Topic too much,

Stick to the Thread topic, if you want to discuss the alliance issue kindly open a new thread , where this issue can be discussed with a high level of discussion.

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