Does God Exist?

[mr_j]

3. Our existence IS for a reason, just not a reason for people to judge, it's God's to judge, as a religious person I consider our existence here as a test, a test to see if u give up to the human nature, the bad feelings, thoughts, and temptations that we are exposed to in our mortal life, whether we give in to them or not is the base on which God judges us, so yeah our existence doesn't have a meaning for u, but it's really a test mech aktar.

a test is given to all individuals with the same difficulty(well with slightly different versions do they don't cheat)
throwing a guy in a poor african country so he can live the first 12 years of his life hungry, then at 12 accidently trip over a landmine and lose his arm, then at 20 gets aids and then on the other hand creatign saad el hariri who's father happenes to be a billionnaire(so he got the easy road) and then call life a test
sorry I don't see how it is a test

ba3den ayya test? out of who you are, how many attributes were actualy your choice?
not your gender, not your shape, not your country or religion or traditions or family(for the last 3, you love them, you love your country religion and family, of course you do, we all do, but it is not a choice, everyone learns to love these things it's a passive thing...)
if you were born into a canibal family, you'd be eating people... where's the test?

religion says life is a test because life is cruel and unfair, and they know it, so they try to convince you that the creator of this life is not evil by saying, this life is nothing just a test. but this is the real deal

by the way I promised we'd talk about the spirit

logic: your feelings, your memory, your behavior are the result of your brain, your physical brain, the one inside your skull, if you get drunk, your actions get altered, if your testosterone levels drop or increase, your actions are altered, if you starve or eat too much your actions are altered, if you get hit over the head your actions are altered. if you get drugged, do you see anything? does your "soul leave your body?" how about when you sleep?
you wouldn't feel or see anything because signals are not coming in and out of the brain, and that is what we are, we are the brain
the heart, the arms, the legs are just accessories that keep the brain alive, you can lose an arm or a leg, you can lose your heart and replace it with a donor's heart, but your brain is you

that sums up what a human is to me, I don't see a spirit in the above, even emotions like love and hate are caused by brain receptors and synapses...

the floor is yours

[7anzala]

Originally Posted by mr_j

logic: your feelings, your memory, your behavior are the result of your brain, your physical brain, the one inside your skull, if you get drunk, your actions get altered, if your testosterone levels drop or increase, your actions are altered, if you starve or eat too much your actions are altered, if you get hit over the head your actions are altered. if you get drugged, do you see anything? does your "soul leave your body?" how about when you sleep?
you wouldn't feel or see anything because signals are not coming in and out of the brain, and that is what we are, we are the brain
the heart, the arms, the legs are just accessories that keep the brain alive, you can lose an arm or a leg, you can lose your heart and replace it with a donor's heart, but your brain is you

who programmed your brain? who programmed the bee to build its houses in well engineered plan?

who programmed the tree to give fruit? one can live in cold and one in heat.....planets rotate and smin in space, why they doesnt hit be each other? who programmed them to stay locked to gravity? who put the world law (physical, chemical, biological...)
why not two guys make love and produce baby, who programmes that it must be a female and male, and both has to be able to give semen and ovum?

in programming there is programming, if x=y then do z else do w.

life is a big software.....who made that software?

if u will say it come from nothing......bring me anything from nothing.

Can science bring the sun to rise from west?
can science make a died person alive?

there is a big programmer that control us all, and we have to know him and at least thank him

[mr_j]

who programmed your brain? who programmed the bee to build its houses in well engineered plan?

a billion years of evolution
with the death of the weak and the survival of the fit, this has been proven without reasonnable doubt...

[7anzala]

lets play a small game, i will give you 2 sentences. Can you know which one is a God's saying?

sentece A

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ لَنْ يَخْلُقُوا ذُبَاباً وَلَوِ اجْتَمَعُوا لَهُ وَإِنْ يَسْلُبْهُمُ الذُّبَابُ شَيْئاً لا يَسْتَنْقِذُوهُ مِنْهُ ضَعُفَ الطَّالِبُ وَالْمَطْلُوبُ

Sentence B

يَا ضُفْدَع بِنْت ضِفْدَعَيْن , نَقِي مَا تَنُقِّين , نِصْفُك فِي الْمَاء وَنِصْفُك فِي الطَّيْن , لَا الْمَاء تُكَدِّرِين , وَلَا الْشَّارِب تَمْنَعِيْن

[mr_j]

no, and what would be the point?

God never spoke by the way, all the books were written by people who claimed they heard God speak, but there was never witnesses of that

[7anzala]

Originally Posted by mr_j

a billion years of evolution
with the death of the weak and the survival of the fit, this has been proven without reasonnable doubt...

yes but at the beginning when creation of adam(or if u dont believe by adam and eve, the first human) who made that creature and programmed it to obtain power from his experiences.

ino why science cant say who is b4 the other the egg or the chicken......while religion answers you so easily?

[7anzala]

Originally Posted by mr_j

no, and what would be the point?

God never spoke by the way, all the books were written by people who claimed they heard God speak, but there was never witnesses of that

a book like Quran that broke the head of the best arabs, and no one could bring a verse that works on the same tone...and all language professors that day till today didnt reach to bring one verse to say that it is like quran......1500 year passed and the quran is the same from that day to today no change in a point or comma.

ino u believe ino that book is man made? sara7a i dont care who wrote that book but i know that the writter has a strong ability to protect his book after his death (if we are assuming the writer is man akeed he is died ) and was so knowledgible to bring laws today are being discovered and talk about thinks today are discovered.

Quran talks about history and about these day and last days and anyday you want.

ino if we assume the writer fabricated history what about science and nowdays?

[7anzala]

there is no way God made a flood and all the species of animals got on Noah's ship and that is how life continued, there is no scientific evidence that a flood existed etc...

ino what about el asarat that is found around the world?

check this link and you will find that science discovered and proved the fload.

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%86%D9%88%D8%AD

وفي 27 مايو من عام 2008 عرضت قناة History برنامجاً بعنوان "طوفان نوح العظيم" ، Noah's Great Flood وكان البرنامج يحتوي على آخر الإكتشافات العلمية بتلك الحادثة إذ دلت المسوحات الرادارية للمضيق البحري (السونار) الذي يربط بين البحر الأسود والبحر الأبيض المتوسط على وجود دليل على حدوث تدفق عظيم للمياه من البحر الأبيض المتوسط إلى البحر الأسود، الأدلة العلمية والتاريخية تشير إلى أن البحر الأسود كان بحيرة مياه عذبة وكان يسكن حولها شعوب قديمة (قوم نوح) وجدث آثار لها من أدوات خشبية كانوا يستخدمونها على الرغم من عدم إكتشاف بقايا بشرية لحد الآن، تقدر الإحصاءات عددهم بخمسة ملايين إنسان حيث كانت البحيرة مصدر رزق وماء لهم، ولعل سبب تسمية البحر "الأسود" تعود إلى أنه كان رمزاً للحزن البشري وفناء معظم البشر خلال الطوفان العظيم الذي حدث قبل حوالي 8000 سنة.

في العهود الغابرة كانت الأرض تشهد عصراً جليدياً حيث كانت الثلوج تغطي بشكل كثيف معظم أراضي روسيا والقارة الأمريكية الشمالية وتمتد إلى الأرضي الشمالية لما يسمى حالياً الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية كما تشير الدلائل الجيولوجية ، ثم بدأت الثلوج بالذوبان ببطء مما أدى إلى رفع مستويات البحار في كل أنحاء الأرض على مدى العديد من السنوات، وكان البحر الأسود بحيرة مياه عذبة صغيرة نسبياً إذا ما قورنت بحجم البحر الأسود اليوم، ويقع البحر الأبيض المتوسط قريباً من تلك البحيرة إلا أنه لا يوجد أي قناة تربطهما ببعض حينذاك ولكن كان هناك شبه وادي من اليابسة يفصل بينهما وتحيط به بعض المرتفعات، وهكذا ارتفع منسوب البحر الأبيض المتوسط إلى مستوى خطر أدى إلى تدفق مياه عظيمة منه باتجاه الوادي اليابس المذكور، وصلت المياه ذورتها وتدفقت مياه المتوسط المالحة باتجاه مياه البحر الأسود العذبة لتغمره وتغمر ما حوله من أراضي شاسعة بالمياه فتغرق وتدمر كل ما يجري في طريقها من بشر وبناء وغيره. وهكذا لم ينجو سوى من نجا مع سيدنا نوح في السفينة المسقوفة، وبعد 40 يوماً رست السفينة إلى جبل الجودي (يروي التوراة عن جبل آخر اسمه أرارات) وهو واقع في تركيا بالقرب من حدود أرمينيا حالياً. وهكذا لم تبقى مياه البحر الأسود عذبة بل تحولت إلى مالحة والوادي الذي كان بين البحرين أصبح اليوم يعرف بمضيق البوسفور ، وتحيط بالبحر الأسود الآن كل من تركيا وأوكرانيا وروسيا و رومانيا.

watch this BBC documentary about noah flood

You Tube

You Tube

you just make a search about noah and science and u will get ur prove

[mr_j]

Noah's story speaks of a universal flood, and that he saved 2 of each species to restart life on earth... and that he lived 950 years

[7anzala]

this is a documentary about finding Noah ark in the same place where quran states

You Tube

You Tube