Patriotism/Terrorism

[Tawa]

One man's Patriotism, is another man's Terrorism.

What Do You Think?

[abousoun]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
This sentence - although very true and realistic - is responsible for all the chaos in this world ...

It all comes to the point of who is making such labellings ?

The united nations don't have a clear definition for the word "terrorism" till now !!!!!! ... but we are able somehow to label who is patriotic and who is terrorist !!!

Imagine that Gandhi was considered a terrorist in the eyes of British, yet he is a hero in his own country !!!! It's up to you to choose who you want to believe ...

The more complex example is Al Qaida who were considered as freedom fighters during Ronald Reagan era, but now the same Qaida are terrorists during Bush era !!!

let's take today as an example as well, those who put the explosion in Tripoli to target the LA for sure are patriotic in the eyes of their group, w maybe they are promised by heaven in later life ... but do we look at them in the same way ?

and the list goes on and on and on ... and the battles go on and on and on ... and the innocents pay the price here and there and there in the name of patriotism or terrorism !!!

Thank You ...

[mr_j]

well as I know, and I looked it up in dictionnaries, terrorism is the act of killing unarmed civilains
based on that definition, the whole world is a terrorist

now hizbollah was declared a terrorist because they were using inaccurate katyusha rockets and thus endangering unarmed "citizens" before the 2006 war, not many countries counted hizbollah as a terrorist, because he was not posing a threat to unarmed citizens till then

now this is exactly what terrorism is, killing unarmed people. the problem is that the world does not count killing unarmed lebanese as an act of terrorism from israel, or the death of iraquis by americans etc...

it is simply clear that the whole world is terrorist, but "ma 7adan bi2oul 3an zayteto 3ekrin" each side only points to the other

[Tawa]

Well, We Live In Lebanon, And This Saying Is A Perfect One To Talk About These Days.

Patriotism For Me Is The Love For One's Country, This Patriotism Is Showed By Defending Your Country, Trying To Improve It, Changing It To The Better, And Sometimes Accepting It As It Is And Not Trying To Change It To Fit One's Own Profits, But For The Profit Of Everyone In It. Patriotism Is Shown In Every Good Single Small Action Toward One's Country.

On The Other Hand.

Terrorism For Me Is When Someone Attacks Another Person's Country, Because He Doesn't Believe In It, And Wants To Change It, Take It, Or Destroy It. Sometimes It Is Shown When Someone Wants To Change His Own Country To Fit His Own Profits, Maybe For The Money And Wealthiness, Or Even Maybe Because He Can't Stand Living With People From Other Religions In The Country He Wants To Have.

I'm Really Shocked When I See Some People Claiming To Be Patriots, While At The Same Time, They Are The Ones Who Are Causing Terrorism In Their Countries, I Hate "Stupid Lebanese People" Who Claim To Be The Best When It Comes To Patriotism, And At The Same Time You Can See Them Using Their Logos Along With The Israeli Logo. And The Thing That Kills Me Most Is That Everyone Has The Right To Claim He's A Patriot, And Some "Stupid Lebanese People" Will Believe Him Or Even Follow Him Because They Just Hate The People He's Going Against.

I Wish One Day We Could Live In A 10452KM² Lebanon Where There Is A Law Against Traitors, The Ones Who Should Be Hanged. A Lebanon Where We Live All Together In Peace, Where There Is Only One Definition For Patriotism.

[Adam]

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
This is true because a every freedom fighter is a terrorist. The true meaning of terrorism is the use of fear in order to reach certain political or ideological goals, whether the cause is good or evil, which is the exact same thing freedom fighters do.

Or you can use the American definition of the word, which is Terrorist = Anti-US/Israel.

[Kain]

What do you guys think??

[mr_j]

I still stick to what I said 2 years ago, terrorism is the act of killing unarmed civilians

I will add by saying I am against killing any unarmed person, regardless of who they are what their political religious views are etc... and I am strictly against the murder of young children, these should be universal standards.

[TAREK®]

Originally Posted by mr_j

I still stick to what I said 2 years ago, terrorism is the act of killing unarmed civilians

I will add by saying I am against killing any unarmed person, regardless of who they are what their political religious views are etc... and I am strictly against the murder of young children, these should be universal standards.

Terrorism isnt just attacking unarmed civilians, it could also be attacking the local army to achieve personal benefits in the name of patriotism and religion ( Fateh El Islam is the biggest example)

[Kain]

Originally Posted by mr_j

I still stick to what I said 2 years ago, terrorism is the act of killing unarmed civilians

I will add by saying I am against killing any unarmed person, regardless of who they are what their political religious views are etc... and I am strictly against the murder of young children, these should be universal standards.

Then do we have the right to launch rockets on Israelis seeing as they have constantly attacked and massacred our civilians for more than 30 years now?

[mr_j]

Originally Posted by Kain

Then do we have the right to launch rockets on Israelis seeing as they have constantly attacked and massacred our civilians for more than 30 years now?

ideally, no :P human life is not scores or points
"ataloulna wa7ad lezem ne2tellon wa7ad" every human is unique, and one human should not pay with his life for the mistake of another human

some people feel ashamed that hizbollah did not kill as many israeli civilains as israel kileld lebanese, I consider the opposite, I am proud that most of the israelis hizbollah killed were soldiers, in fact, it seemed as if hizbollah intentionnaly avoided israeli civilain casualties by not using concentrated rocket fire on one village(if for example they concentrated 100 rockets a day on one village they would have killed more than by sending one rocket to each village every 3 to 6 hours, giving people the chance to run away" and hizbollah warned the villages they were going to strike ahead of time

here is something that has been on my mind for about a year and I never mentioned it samir el kuntar broke into the palestinian borders and killed a child and her father, is this really something we want to encourage and be proud of? does it really help our image with the international community? or help us win the war? did the 4 year old really deserve to die for beign born on the wrogn side of the border?

edit: note, the missiles launched by hizbollah had the primary purpose of crippling the north of israel by forcing migration, not to kill civilains, which is why I am not against it :P