Good or Bad?

[IM@D]

Some people are born good, others are born bad
We can never generalize

[xcoder]

Let's define Good & Bad first. Both are extremely relative.
Who may seem bad to you could be someone's angel.

[halhoula]

Dear EVERYONE,

When i replied to this thread, nay when i reply to all threads, i use balanced words and a respectable way to state my ideas and my opinion, never have i replied in way to imply that i do not respect other people's opinions.

And when i quoted Jean-Jacques Rousseau, i did it not because i'm showing off my knowledge because i do not do that, it's because I personally agree with him.
And this is my opinion in this matter. No one can be sure whether humans are born good or bad, we just can have a point of view or a certain opinion from personal experiences or assessments.

I believe that every person is born good, but it is the way he was raised that makes him a good person or a bad person, it's the people he acquaints. And this has been proven by modern psychology, and child psychology.

And to everyone who criticized Rousseau, you are right his personal life way quite a bad one but hadn't he been worthy of our time and hadn't his ideas been wise, we wouldn't have had to study his literature and philosophy in high-school and college.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Kain

Justin. Tony never said Rousseau was wrong. He was saying that however knowledgeable Rousseau was it does not make him infallible and it does not mean that what he is saying is right. I believe tony was simply attempting to go deeper in this debate. No more no less.

Kain, if you read all her replies, whether in this thread or in all threads, you would notice that she replies with evidence or examples or quotes, etc... and not only that, but the posts are submitted in a very respectful way without any latt 7ake aw tarsha2a or sarcastic replies.

So after reading his, i noticed that it was an attack and i still think that it was an attack because he could have replied in a respectful manner, giving his opinion in a better organized post and instead of writing all these things, he could have formulated his post the way you did to make his point of view clear and not bashing around.

Most of us here are students, we should at least know how to respect others opinion even if it was right or wrong or against what he/she is saying, there is always a respectful way to reply, and since LATELY el lougha el hamajiye is reigning in the forum then so be it! that's when i replied.

[Kain]

Originally Posted by Justin

Kain, if you read all her replies, whether in this thread or in all threads, you would notice that she replies with evidence or examples or quotes, etc... and not only that, but the posts are submitted in a very respectful way without any latt 7ake aw tarsha2a or sarcastic replies.

So after reading his, i noticed that it was an attack and i still think that it was an attack because he could have replied in a respectful manner, giving his opinion in a better organized post and instead of writing all these things, he could have formulated his post the way you did to make his point of view clear and not bashing around.

Most of us here are students, we should at least know how to respect others opinion even if it was right or wrong or against what he/she is saying, there is always a respectful way to reply, and since LATELY el lougha el hamajiye is reigning in the forum then so be it! that's when i replied.

I understand what you mean. I read his replies again just now just to be sure and I'm pretty sure he was misunderstood. If anything tony is the member who cares most about respecting other members in debates and keeping the debate itself respectful.

Maybe he didn't address halhoula correctly, maybe he was misunderstood, it could swing either way. Bas khedouha 3a 7esen niyye menno he didn't mean anything and i'm sure of it


edit: and yes i know halhoula replies with the utmost respect to the debate. Ma bada tnen ye7ko fiha.
he just asked all those questions so that the ideas would be thoroughly discussed. And he picked the right person to question because halhoula, if anyone, is educated enough and has the right notions to take this debate in particular to a deeper level.

Notice that he did not reply to any of the other members. Just her.

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by Justin

It seems you only saw her reply to write in this manner, how come you didn't reply to sheriff's post for e.g.?

wtf....what manner?...i wasn't offensive in any post ...i just replied to her post since i don't want to reply to every post and i asked good questions in a good manner ...no bad words no nothing .....

In case you don't know Jean Jacques Rousseau, well he was a major Genevois philosopher, writer, and composer of 18th-century Romanticism. His political philosophy influenced the American revolution and subsequently the French revolution, and the development of modern political, sociological and educational thought. (for more info, check wikipedia). So Basically long story short, i don't think you're in a position to say that he was wrong and you are right in this matter; unless you pretend to be a philosopher that wanna raise an army of pu**ies.

lol...im out of here....

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by Justin

Kain, if you read all her replies, whether in this thread or in all threads, you would notice that she replies with evidence or examples or quotes, etc... and not only that, but the posts are submitted in a very respectful way without any latt 7ake aw tarsha2a or sarcastic replies.

So after reading his, i noticed that it was an attack and i still think that it was an attack because he could have replied in a respectful manner, giving his opinion in a better organized post and instead of writing all these things, he could have formulated his post the way you did to make his point of view clear and not bashing around.

Most of us here are students, we should at least know how to respect others opinion even if it was right or wrong or against what he/she is saying, there is always a respectful way to reply, and since LATELY el lougha el hamajiye is reigning in the forum then so be it! that's when i replied.

lougha hamajye ?....may i ask you where i didn't respect her?....in what sentence or post?.....

unless you pretend to be a philosopher that wanna raise an army of pu**ies.

that's the respect and manner your talking about ?

[halhoula]

This has gone too far,
When i objected to the way some people reply, my only purpose was to create an environment of respect to the debate. And my only problem with Tony's reply was that he was implying that my opinion in the matter was totally incorrect, based on irrelevant sources, and not logical. Whereas i based my reply on quotes and educational and psychological theories.
I never argued with you about your point of view since this subject can be quite intriguing and no one can know for sure the nature of a human being, whether it's good or bad. This is exactly why philosophers like Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Descartes, Nietzsche and many others dwell on it for years and years.
All I wanted was for you to, at least, respect my point of view.
Thanks to all of those who stood up for me.
I'm out of this debate, because i do not want to create problems among members.

[sciencedoor]

without bad there is no good.
take films as example, the bad has role and the good too, but without the bad there is no good
and in reallife all off us has a dark side but it depends on which side u look or affect u

[-t-o-n-y-]

Originally Posted by halhoula

And my only problem with Tony's reply was that he was implying that my opinion in the matter was totally incorrect, based on irrelevant sources, and not logical.

i just asked questions!....i asked you questions and said my point of view, since i don't agree with your point of view...that's al!l....and i didn't get any answer and suddenly i've been told that i disrespected you and offended you ...while i have nothing against you and still can't know what offended you since other people talked ma7allik....

All I wanted was for you to, at least, respect my point of view.

i did respect your point of view....and im asking again in which sentence or post i offended you or talked to you in a bad manner ....u could've said that you don't want to enter in a debate since u believe that this subject isn't good for a debate and not let other people say that i disrespected you and offended you w seret hamaje w medre chou!