Good or Bad?

[Mitzidupree]

Human race is actually bad by nature, and it's the society that makes a person civil. But at the first chance a person gets, they do not hesitate. What holds us back, morality to be precise, is not our nature but rather the series of "dos” and "don’ts”, our parents rooted in us and the society around us.

We, in fact, are not the products of our own mentality; we are the result of external conditions.

The need of survival, through ancient history, tells how human treated each other. You may argue that the negative elements of the society tend to corrupt a person, but how true that is?

Society only functions harmoniously because the populace fears the apparatus of state control.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

i just asked questions!....i asked you questions and said my point of view, since i don't agree with your point of view...that's al!l....and i didn't get any answer and suddenly i've been told that i disrespected you and offended you ...while i have nothing against you and still can't know what offended you since other people talked ma7allik....
i did respect your point of view....and im asking again in which sentence or post i offended you or talked to you in a bad manner ....u could've said that you don't want to enter in a debate since u believe that this subject isn't good for a debate and not let other people say that i disrespected you and offended you w seret hamaje w medre chou!

Just for your info, it is a discussion that many philosophers gave different answers and were written in an appropriate method. And her point of view was clear when yours was irrelevant, for e.g. when you stated: "that doesn't mean he's right ...." when you could have said that you don't agree with Jean because of 1,2,3, etc... That would have helped a lot instead of writing posts that were incomprehensible, tell me why isn't he right? why you are right? You may be right about the topic but give a reason in order to understand your point of view.

Another e.g: "there's no pure good-ness ...there's always good and bad....", as if you know everything. Then explain why, give more clarification about this subject, why there is no pure goodness or evilness or whatever? and because of those ways you were addressing made me think that this guy is shouting and he's upset therefore he is mad about something, maybe I should get him a lollipop and let him sit down and lick it. That is why I was addressing you in an unappropriate way.

Originally Posted by -t-o-n-y-

....while u see him "fight" to get his toys if someone took them from him.....

and just for your info too, the evil/bad here is the one who took away his toy and not the baby.

Consequently, I'm also outta here for the same reason that she does not want to participate any longer in this subject; not because as you stated " u could've said that you don't want to enter in a debate" but because there are some people who don't know how to clear their message out and b!tch around being bashed for no reason.

peace

[The Cheese]

You guys!!
Seriously....just lighten up and breathe for a second here...all of you.
Justin started an interesting thread...Halhoula posed a very reasonable (and debatable) point of view (Be it based on Rousseau or her observations solley or both...it is still very reasonable)
Tony then replied with another reasonable (and debatable) point of view posing another way to look at this.
He might've elaborated had this debate gone smoothly which might have been quite interesting since both of you had an opinion and a way to stand up for it.
I honestly found nothing insulting in what he said...and in case I missed anything...I'm sure he was looking for a debate no more no less.
He's questioning that very stance on the subject...not Halhoula's evident knowledge or even her as a person.
Quit with the fighting already...different opinions are valid for different people accordingly.No need to get so defensive you guys!
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[mr_j]

every human is unique, I don't know more than that