Abortion

[Kain]

I realize this thread has been opened many times before. But i'd like to ask my own questions. I'd also like the thread to begin from scratch so a debate can take place between members from ground 0.

Are you with or against abortion? Why?

When is it ok to abort the baby. When is it not??

I'd like those who are with abortion to explain why it is not killing. What is life to you?? When is the baby alive? When is it not??

Be thorough, be scientific, and respect each others' views

Thank you

[mr_j]

I am with the choice of having an abortion, to simply put it

a sperm cell is not sacred, and thousands per man die every day, and a female egg is not sacred and many thousands are wasted(a woman has like 500 thousand ones and she never uses most of them) what is the magic if both fuse? suddenly it is a human?a potential life? almost every sperm cell a man has is a potential life, should we be saving them all?

and if the family is not able to raise another child, why have it? why put it though a life of misery and suffering? so it can live a long hard life, and then die, how is that a better choice?

furthermore, the question usually is whether it should be made legal or not to have that choice(for the parents) if you consider life is sacred, fine, don't have an abortion, why do you want to force your opinion on people who would like to have an abortion?

[-t-o-n-y-]

well, im against abortion....
first of all i don't accept killing another human being just because he isn't able to defend himself and the parents or the mother doesn't want him, so they decide if this "person" has the right to live or not. I think that if people accept killing unborn babies they could also accept killing any other human being.
plus, people should be more responsible!....many abortions are made because of teen girls getting pregnant so parents should teach they're children how to be more responsible, and in general if it's not a teen case people should be more responsible....

Originally Posted by mr_j

a sperm cell is not sacred, and thousands per man die every day, and a female egg is not sacred and many thousands are wasted(a woman has like 500 thousand ones and she never uses most of them) what is the magic if both fuse? suddenly it is a human?a potential life? almost every sperm cell a man has is a potential life, should we be saving them all?

when those are wasted they aren't yet forming a living person...the female egg needs a sperm cell to form a child....
and i don't have any idea when the fetus start feeling and stuff like this, so i;m talking in general when i wrote my opinion.

Originally Posted by mr_j

and if the family is not able to raise another child, why have it? why put it though a life of misery and suffering? so it can live a long hard life, and then die, how is that a better choice?

if they can't have a baby they should be more responsible and take precautions...and there's many ways to prevent being pregnant ....if they didn't take any precautions then it was an irresponsible act, that's why there should be some kind of education or a way to let people be more responsible about such stuff....
and as for the red part .....u can't predict someone's future....plus there is always many that wants to adopt kids so adoption is a solution....

Originally Posted by mr_j

if you consider life is sacred, fine, don't have an abortion, why do you want to force your opinion on people who would like to have an abortion?

if it's taken in this way, and since you talked about "sacred LIFE", so probably you agree that it's a life (human being)being killed in abortion, then also you should be fine with "don't kill people, why do you want to force you opinion on people who would like to kill others?"

[mr_j]

first of all, sometimes they use precautions and it does not work, that does not make it irresponsible.

second, often fertilized eggs are flushed out of a woman during her cycle, they do not make it to the uterus, in fact, getting a woman pregnant from the first time, even without any contraceptive method, is a chance of like 20 to 40%, many times fertilized eggs do not stick to the uterus like they are supposed to and get wasted, so a couple that has tried many times to have a kid and failed should be executed for committing mass murder.

third, a fertilized egg is not a human, if it were a human then the government would ask every pregnant woman to register her baby before she has it, and it would go down in the population chart, it doesn't happen that way, why? because a fetus is not a human being

now I would agree if you said an 8 month old fetus is a human, that is fine, it is almost complete, I think by then it has a developed brain... but a fertilized egg is not a human, if you take a pill in the first 2 month of pregnancy and kill it...

finaly, the child is still inside the woman, it's her body, she does not want to feed it, she does not want him to grow, chou bil ouwweh? she does not want to carry it 9 month, you want to force her against her will to carry a child 9 month?

[SysTaMatIcS]

abortion should be made before the full formation of the child , before 3 months of pregnancy

[Tawa]

If you're against abortion, go convince the people who can't afford having children, go convince the people who can't afford precaution methods, and go convince the young girl who has been raped and got pregnant as a result.

There's a difference between abortion, and killing a born human being. Please, no one try to prove that they're the same.

So yeah, I'm with abortion.