Clashes in the north - Discussions

[flamenguita]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

Ether I misunderstood you or umhh maba3rif!

Ya3neh the police should have alerted the army it was going to catch those animals, bass blaming the police uno because it wanted to catch those animals everything started is wrong!! the police job is to catch people like this and doing so is not showing of! you can blame them for not alerting the army, very true bass to blame them for wanting to catch criminals is wrong!

It seems lebanese_a that u got it all wrong!

First i never said that the police job is not catching the criminals, akid it is her job but :

1- These criminals are outlaw militants who are packed by missiles and advanced bombs and rifles.

2- These criminals have OUR army situated directly outside the camp.

3- These criminals don't give a sh*t about their own lives, how will it be if its is the lives of others, they are brainwashed.

I don't think when ur dealing with such aspect of terrorism u take a TV with u to film u and broadcasted on channels to have a media propaganda eno :Hey! look, we are doing our job, don't think that the interior ministry is uncapable of catching one thief or one killer."

The errors that the darak and the interior ministry made were:

1- Not notifying the army about a major operation like this. 15 Soldiers were slaughtered in a hideous way!

2- Not keeping this operation becoz it is dangerous low profile nd not getting cams with u just to make people see eno the darak are able to operate not just be bodyguards for politicians and treat people in a really cruel or inappropriate way (talking from personal experience)

3- Not approving the request of the army commander made 3 months ago directly after Ain Alak terrorists were caught to start cleaning lebanon from this phenomena which is infiltrating in our society!

4- Not forming an investigation committee to see from what source and in which way these terrorists are being armed and no one in the dawle is aware (if they are not involved in this), becoz all what matters to them : " how will we form the international tribunal in a very swift way under the 7th chapter and force the people to obey our orders"

[flamenguita]

Source: CNN
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In an interview on CNN International's Your World Today, veteran journalist Seymour Hersh explains that the current violence in Lebanon is the result of an attempt by the Lebanese government to crack down on a militant Sunni group, Fatah al-Islam, that it formerly supported.

Last March, Hersh reported that American policy in the Middle East had shifted to opposing Iran, Syria, and their Shia allies at any cost, even if it meant backing hardline Sunni jihadists.

A key element of this policy shift was an agreement among Vice President Dick Cheney, Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national security adviser, whereby the Saudis would covertly fund the Sunni Fatah al-Islam in Lebanon as a counterweight to the Shia Hezbollah.

Hersh points out that the current situation is much like that during the conflict in Afghanistan in the 1980's – which gave rise to al Qaeda – with the same people involved in both the US and Saudi Arabia and the "same pattern" of the US using jihadists that the Saudis assure us they can control.

When asked why the administration would be acting in a way that appears to run counter to US interests, Hersh says that, since the Israelis lost to them last summer, "the fear of Hezbollah in Washington, particularly in the White House, is acute."

As a result, Hersh implies, the Bush administration is no longer acting rationally in its policy. "We're in the business of supporting the Sunnis anywhere we can against the Shia. ... "We're in the business of creating ... sectarian violence." And he describes the scheme of funding Fatah al-Islam as "a covert program we joined in with the Saudis as part of a bigger, broader program of doing everything we could to stop the spread of the Shia world, and it just simply -- it bit us in the rear."

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by flamenguita

Source: CNN
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In an interview on CNN International's Your World Today, veteran journalist Seymour Hersh explains that the current violence in Lebanon is the result of an attempt by the Lebanese government to crack down on a militant Sunni group, Fatah al-Islam, that it formerly supported.

Last March, Hersh reported that American policy in the Middle East had shifted to opposing Iran, Syria, and their Shia allies at any cost, even if it meant backing hardline Sunni jihadists.

A key element of this policy shift was an agreement among Vice President Dick Cheney, Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national security adviser, whereby the Saudis would covertly fund the Sunni Fatah al-Islam in Lebanon as a counterweight to the Shia Hezbollah.

Hersh points out that the current situation is much like that during the conflict in Afghanistan in the 1980's – which gave rise to al Qaeda – with the same people involved in both the US and Saudi Arabia and the "same pattern" of the US using jihadists that the Saudis assure us they can control.

When asked why the administration would be acting in a way that appears to run counter to US interests, Hersh says that, since the Israelis lost to them last summer, "the fear of Hezbollah in Washington, particularly in the White House, is acute."

As a result, Hersh implies, the Bush administration is no longer acting rationally in its policy. "We're in the business of supporting the Sunnis anywhere we can against the Shia. ... "We're in the business of creating ... sectarian violence." And he describes the scheme of funding Fatah al-Islam as "a covert program we joined in with the Saudis as part of a bigger, broader program of doing everything we could to stop the spread of the Shia world, and it just simply -- it bit us in the rear."

that should be enough to show whos behind them and whos supporting them!

[flamenguita]

Source: tayyar.org ( from reuters)
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أموال خليجية تتدفّق إلى إسلاميي لبنان!

نقلت وكالة “رويترز” أمس عن خبراء ومسؤولين سابقين في الاستخبارات الأميركية قولهم إن الخليجيين عموماً والسعوديين خصوصاً يزيدون إسهاماتهم الخاصة لـ“المتشددين السنّة في لبنان، ما قد يغذي عنفاً جديداً في إطار صراع إقليمي متنامٍ بين السنة والشيعة”. ويقول مسؤولو استخبارات أميركيون سابقون ومحللون مستقلون، بحسب الوكالة نفسها، إن آخر تدفق للأموال بدأ في كانون الأول في محاولة لخلق ثقل في مقابل حزب الله. وينظر هؤلاء المسؤولون إلى الأمر على أنه “جزء من جهود السعودية لتعزيز الإسلام السنّي في مواجهة النشاط الشيعي المتنامي في الشرق الأوسط وأفريقيا”.

ونقلت الوكالة عن مسؤول استخبارات سابق رفيع المستوى، وصفته بأنه “يراقب الشرق الأوسط عن كثب، قوله إن “هناك أموالاً سعودية تتدفق على جماعات سنّية متطرفة لنيّة محددة هي مواجهة الشيعة وحزب الله في لبنان”.

وأوضحت الوكالة أن كلام مصادرها جاء منسوباً إلى مسؤولين سعوديين وسوريين “لكنهم رفضوا أن يكونوا أكثر تحديداً في ما يتعلق بمصادر معلوماتهم”. وأوضحت أن “بين الجهات التي تلقت الأموال، عصبة الأنصار. وقالوا إن أموالاً أيضاً ذهبت الى جماعة فتح الإسلام. واعتبروا أن الولاء لجدول أعمال السعودية وأسرة الحريري هو المتوقّع في المقابل”

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by flamenguita

Source: leb files
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وجه النائب وليد جنبلاط امس اتهاماً مفاجئاً لدولة قطر وأميرها حمد بن خليفة آل ثاني بالانحياز الى سوريا. وجاء كلام جنبلاط خلال مداخلة له في برنامج حصاد اليوم في قناة الجزيرة القطرية ليل أمس تعليقاً على انفجار عاليه.وبعدما كرر جنبلاط اتهام سوريا بالوقوف خلف التفجيرات الاخيرة وسأل جنبلاط لماذا تصر قطر من خلال أميرها على هذا الانحياز السياسي للنظام السوري. مضيفا إنكم في مكان ما شركاء في الجرائم في لبنان. وطلب جنبلاط من قطر ان تكون محايدة مع لبنان،و تدعم لبنان،و تدعم جيش لبنان عندها نرى حسب ما جاء في كلام جنبلاط.

i really really dont know wat the hell goes on inside this man,s mind , but watever it is i bet its not anythin human...

[Ghnadine]

Originally Posted by xcoder

Syria is a possibility of course they're not angels at all but you can't accuse syria to cover an internal failure of this government and the help of future movement to such terrorist organizations.

Originally Posted by xcoder

but if you remember not long time ago the terrorists who killed the lebanese army in donieh few years ago were freed.
What about the ones who were arrested after the incidents of ein alak? where are they? why no one is talking about them anymore?
What about the terrorist group that came and supported sanyoura in saray, what about the attacks of ashrafieh?
How come such big organization can be installed without the knowlege of the security forces?
What about future movement supporting the palestinian organization and gave the permission for an extremist group of salafies that were forbidden for ages in tripoly?
What about this picture of one of fate7 al islam in 25jan giving the army 24 hours to leave the camp or else...

....but you can't accuse syria to cover an internal failure of this government and the help of future movement to such terrorist organizations.

And that is the living truth كل ما دء الكوزبالجره سوريا و سوريا
Look no one hates Syria as much as I do ok, but what kind of Goverment is this that everytime something happens BLAH BLAH BLAH SYRIA SYRIA SYRIA and do nothing and AGAIN something else happens and AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH SYRIA SYRIA SYRIA oo بعدين untill when do we have to take this.....this is too much guys where is the security, where is the money that was given as donation to the country why are some of the southerners still without any home food or anything...aren't they Lebanese or what....they took everything fromIsrael and our Goverment did nothing. And Now the bombings and the North ooo بعدين the goverment still dosn't do anything ....what are they waiting for?? wrong question what is wrong with the Lebanese people why arn't they doing anything we should do something......... first we have to get rid of this lousy hipocrate liying traitors Goverment so we can live in peace or at least have a new clean Goverment that would do something and help its people.
Guys The Goverment is us, we pay their salaries we make everything work we are the voice since our presently illegal Goverment isn't doing anything we should have a real, true, honest ,do something, Goverment.Untill when do we have to take this...... WE DON'T WANT THIS GOVERMENT LEAVE HAVE EARLY ELECTIONS WE DON"T WANT YOU WE WANT JOB OPPORTUNITY,SECURITY,INSURANCE,HEALT INSURACE OLD AGE INSURANCE.....I could go on and on.....

[flamenguita]

Well, when we hear what Jumblat is stating these days, we would thought that Hizbullah nearly is helping the Fateh el Islam, who are a kaeda based sunni radical party, and against Hizbullah 100%. And what is this campain against Qatar also, is it becoz they had conscience enough in helping rebuild the davastated areas? i didn't know also that If Simon Hursh, (who is analysing the political american line how they funded Fateh el Islam just to create the chaos in Lebanon, then have an excuse to be here with their military escort, which maybe they forgot to send to Lebanon, and send it by" mistake" to Israel, in the July war ) is now a friend of the syrian regime.

I will post Jumblat last speech:

قال رئيس اللقاء الديموقراطي النائب وليد جنبلاط لـجريدة "المستقبل: "تعجّ جامعة دمشق في الآونة الأخيرة بمحاضرات قيّمة، تليها تفجيرات دامية في لبنان. فبعد أن تحدّث وزير الخارجية السوري وليد المعلم عن أن المحكمة ستهدد استقرار لبنان وأمنه، انفجرت في الشمال وكان الغدر الذي لحق بالجيش والآمنين ثم كان تفجيرا الأشرفية وفردان".جنبلاط أضاف "وبالأمس جاءنا نائب الرئيس السوري فاروق تحت نظرية أن فراغ السلطة في لبنان وراء ظهور "فتح الإسلام" فكانت متفجرة عاليه"، وقال "في انتظار ما سيقوله "السيّد" في يوم التحرير، وهو بالمناسبة يوم لبناني وليس يوماً فئوياً سنراقب ما سيقوله بالتحديد في هذه الجماعات التكفيرية على الساحة اللبنانية، فهل سيدين أعمالها وتوجهاتها العقائدية التي تصبّ في مواجهة المشروع الوطني والاستقرار اللبناني والعربي، أم أنه سيحتمي بمقولات كبار الصحافيين الذين أصبحوا بمصاف الولاة على الفتنة أشباه سايمون هيرش أصدقاء وليد المعلّم وغيره في النظام السوري"، وختم بالقول "إذّ ذاك، مع الأسف، يكون المعلّم واحداً، ألا وهو بشّار الأسد".

[J()e]

guyz i heard that there is none lebanese army who r now n the airport and willing to help the lebarmy !!? what do u think ?!

[flamenguita]

Originally Posted by lf rabieh

guyz i heard that there is none lebanese army who r now n the airport and willing to help the lebarmy !!? what do u think ?!

Can u explain more what u've "heard", and what is ur point of view?

[mickey]

رايس: أمل في ان تكون الحكومة اللبنانية قادرة على التعامل مع هؤلاء المتطرفين

What the hell is she talkin about?
Isnt she the one who's supporting the gov till the end?
And now she hopes? We dnt need hope to deal with those terrorist..
What she said does not support the Lebanese Army and the Lebanese gov