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Old 09-21-2007   #21
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Eno really before each time we accuse verbally, let them catch the hair of a suspect becoz catching a suspect in 20 explosions seems like a mission impossible to Sabe3, and then accuse whoever they want, we don't have any pb. with that.[/left]
makes sense.
this is the only logic metaphore....congratulations....
so.......let's wait.
before accusing.......defending and jumping to conclusions.


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المشيعون يرفعون اعلام القوات والكتائب والاشتراكي وسط الهتافات الغاضبة واطلاق المفرقعات النارية
Are they mourning the guy's death or are they celebrating?
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makes sense.
this is the only logic metaphore....congratulations....
so.......let's wait.
before accusing.......defending and jumping to conclusions.

We didn't defend anyone, we're just waiting the never ending investigations it seems. We are only analyzing eno at the end who is benefeting from this assasinations.

3anjad in this country it makes me sick what people now think:

u have two options, or u insult who we want 24/7 without trying to prove our allegations by Evidences, or u're defending them....

U don't anything called logic anymore!

It doesn't come into ur mind for once what the investigations led to? or what the ministry of interior achieved during 20 explosions?///
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We didn't defend anyone, we're just waiting the never ending investigations it seems. We are only analyzing eno at the end who is benefeting from this assasinations.

3anjad in this country it makes me sick what people now think:

u have two options, or u insult who we want 24/7 without trying to prove our allegations by Evidences, or u're defending them....

U don't anything called logic anymore!

It doesn't come into ur mind for once what the investigations led to? or what the ministry of interior achieved during 20 explosions?///
this time you are contradicting yourself.
1-i am waiting as you are for the investigations results at least by curiosity .
now....evidences are not my nor your duty.
allegations are at the end allegations ..............
don't try to play colombo based on allegations.......wait for evidences.

2-while analyzing......try to analyze all your contributions,
they fall under attack and or defend the same team everytime,
all the time. (24 /7).
will you change?.
you do it......and everybody will follow.

3-even when the ministry of interior is achieving, we have to add allegations.
it was suggested that LF benefited from MP Gemayel killing?.
as per investigations...turned to be Fath El Islam.
do you believe it?.
and why?.
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this time you are contradicting yourself.
1-i am waiting as you are for the investigations results at least by curiosity .
now....evidences are not my nor your duty.
allegations are at the end allegations ..............
don't try to play colombo based on allegations.......wait for evidences.

2-while analyzing......try to analyze all your contributions,
they fall under attack and or defend the same team everytime,
all the time. (24 /7).
will you change?.
you do it......and everybody will follow.

3-even when the ministry of interior is achieving, we have to add allegations.
it was suggested that LF benefited from MP Gemayel killing?.
as per investigations...turned to be Fath El Islam.
do you believe it?.
and why?.

Did i ever said that i am 100% sure that Geagea and Jumbi are behind the killings? no.

Did i ever said that 100% sure that Syria is not behind the killings? no.

So plz stop speculating for the intentions of the others, ur war is always a war of intentions without backed evidences.

I only analysed who CAN be behind the kilings based on who is the NB.1 beneficiary from these assasinations.

As i said before, each one can analyse based on his point of view.

Fateh el Islam are surely behind the ain alak explosions, who is behind fateh el islam? and who funded them? we discussed this 100 times in their threads and i believe that FM are behind them and they funded them, and they dragged the army in a war that is not theirs becoz of stupid mistake from the ISF!

So what can stop me from thinking that LF with FM funding put fateh el islam in the assasinations sequence so later the accusations will turn on them.?

And even if the army accused fateh el islam in the explosions, u keep singing the same song: Syria is behind the explosions and Syria is doing this and Syria is doing that. Ok fine, let's assume without evidences that Syria 100% is behind all the shit ,

why ur superiors don't close the borders, why ur superiors don't present an international petition against syria, why ur superiors from one week 3a shouey they will go and consolate Syria for the Israeili attack?
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well i understand that some of u 3ando khat siyese m3ayan, bas why dont u try 2 be logic? so lets analyse things like they happened
1- Ghanem & Gemayel get assassinated while they were behaving not as MP, in other terms, Gemayel ken 3am bi 3aze w atalou & Ghanem was visiting some of his frds w atalou, so som1 who really know them and it can b one of them who killed them or hene ka 7ezb "makhrou2in"
2- Jubran & ghanem after 2 days from their presence in Lebanon they have been killed, and we know eno ma 7ada bya3rif aymata byejo so..???
3- Ghanem was in his car but l nomra mghayara w usually ken 3am bikoun bi siyara mawaha, so once again how comes?
4- why u always judge siryans w americans... eno leh mech lebanese?
5- i wanna ask u al, min mestafid meno eno kel ras masi7e ytir?
in my opinion some think that they can kill GMA siyesiyan bi eno y7ardo 3alam 3leh, w that they can kill 7ezb kateb jasadiyan.... so whos this one?
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well i understand that some of u 3ando khat siyese m3ayan, bas why dont u try 2 be logic? so lets analyse things like they happened
1- Ghanem & Gemayel get assassinated while they were behaving not as MP, in other terms, Gemayel ken 3am bi 3aze w atalou & Ghanem was visiting some of his frds w atalou, so som1 who really know them and it can b one of them who killed them or hene ka 7ezb "makhrou2in"
2- Jubran & ghanem after 2 days from their presence in Lebanon they have been killed, and we know eno ma 7ada bya3rif aymata byejo so..???
3- Ghanem was in his car but l nomra mghayara w usually ken 3am bikoun bi siyara mawaha, so once again how comes?
4- why u always judge siryans w americans... eno leh mech lebanese?
5- i wanna ask u al, min mestafid meno eno kel ras masi7e ytir?
in my opinion some think that they can kill GMA siyesiyan bi eno y7ardo 3alam 3leh, w that they can kill 7ezb kateb jasadiyan.... so whos this one?
Who's doing this is well funded and very strong on the intelligence level.
Accusations are being pointed to the opposition by some because we're just not okay with their political views.
So we have a choice of 2
-Either we accept them ruling the country alone and ignore us and we "become" real patriots.
-Or we call for national unity of all Lebanese represented in power without domination then we will "remain" syrian slaves and killers and sued us because we made statements against a sister nation. WHAT A COUNTRY!

loool, the funny thing is that few years ago the same people were accusing us being israeli agents.
They even sued us for making statements against a sister nation :P
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اعتبر النائب الأول لرئيس حزب الكتائب اللبنانية رشاد سلامة أنه "يوجد تمايز بين آراء الحزب وقوى "14 اذار"" وذلك من خلال التريث بتوجيه الاتهام لأي جهة قبل التأكد من الجاني الحقيقي ومن خلال اعتبار نصاب الثلثين قانونيا لعقد أول جلسة لانتخاب رئيس للجمهورية.
سلامة وفي حديث لقناة "المنار"، أكد أن "وجود شك بنسبة 3% بأن سوريا معنية بعمليات الاغتيال المتتالية في لبنان هو حماية وحصانة للقاتل الحقيقي".
واضاف: "إن وجود أجهزة الأمن ولجنة التحقيق الدولية وأجهزة المخابرات التابعة للسفرات كالـFBI والـCIA وغيرها يجعلنا نضع علامة استفهام حول كيفية كشف هوية القاتل".
وأكد سلامة أن الرئيس الأعلى لحزب الكتائب أمين الجميل كان قد أيد مبادرة رئيس المجلس النيابي نبيه بري على عكس بعض أفرقاء "14 اذار".
وأشار "أن المستهدف من اغتيال النائب انطوان غانم هو الوفاق والتسوية في لبنان اذ كنا على وشك من تتويجها لولا العملية المستهجنة".
ولفت الى أن "بدل تشييع النائب غانم اليوم كان من المفروض أن يتم اللقاء بين بري والبكريرك الماروني نصرالله صفير ومن ثم اللقاء بين بري ورئيس كتلة "المستقبل" النيابية سعد الحريري، ومن شأن هذه اللقاءات السعي لتأمين التوافق والتسوية للأزمة اللبنانية"
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دانيـــال موســـى شـــارون زار لبـــنان 11 مـــرة في غضـــون ســـنتين... وتعلّـــم العربيـــة في الخليـــج
علمت «الأخبار» أن مديرية المخابرات في الجيش اللبناني تسلّمت أمس موقوفاً تبيّن أنه إسرائيلي يحمل الجنسية الألمانية، بعدما أوقفته قوى الأمن الداخلي صدفة في بيروت، ويجري التحقيق معه بعد إقراره بجنسيته، وتقديمه إفادات متناقضة عن أصوله وأعماله وأهداف زياراته إلى لبنان.
وفي المعلومات، أن مخفر المريجة التابع لقوى الأمن الداخلي فتح فجر العشرين من الشهر الجاري تحقيقاً في مقتل المواطن موسى حسين الشعلان من مواليد 1969 الذي وجد جثة هامدة في منزله في الطابق السادس من البلوك رقم 2 في مشروع الملاك في حي السلم. وبرغم أن الطبيب الشرعي أشار إلى أن الوفاة التي نجمت عن إطلاق عيارات نارية من مسدس حربي قد تكون عملية انتحار، فإن شكوكاً دفعت بقوى الأمن إلى التحقيق في الأمر، ولا سيما بعدما تبيّن أن المسدس يعود إلى عنصر في جهاز أمني رسمي، وبعدما عثر في الشقة التي كان الشعلان قد استأجرها مع ثلاثة من رفاقه (بينهم عنصران أمنيان) على نسخة من جواز سفر إسرائيلي، وأختام لأحد الأجهزة الأمنية اللبنانية.
ولدى استدعاء صاحب المسدس إلى التحقيق أفاد بأنه سبق أن أضاعه. ولدى سؤاله عن مكان وجوده وقت حصول الحادثة، أفاد أنه كان يمضي وقتاً مع صديق له من الجنسية الألمانية، يقيم في فندق شيراتون فور بوينتس، في منطقة فردان.
وعلى الأثر، توجّهت دورية من قوى الأمن الداخلي وجلبت المواطن الألماني الى التحقيق. وظهرت في التحقيقات الأولية علامات شبهة استدعت من قوى الأمن التدقيق أكثر في أوراقه الثبوتية، ليتبيّن أن اسمه ولغته العربية المكتسبة في دولة خليجية، وطبيعة زياراته الى لبنان وبعض الدول وظروف إنفاقه المالي، كلها تشير الى أمور غريبة.
وبعد التدقيق في هذه المسائل، ادّعى الألماني أنه يأتي الى لبنان بقصد السياحة، وأنه مثلي و«يرتاح الى الشباب اللبناني»، وأن أعماله التجارية ليست في لبنان. وبعد التوسع في التحقيق والسؤال عن أصوله وأمكنة إقامته وأمكنة وجود عائلته، أفاد بأنه من اتباع الديانة اليهودية وأن اسمه دانيال موسى شارون. ثم أقر في إفادة أولية أن والده يهودي تركي الأصل، ثم عدل وقال إنه يهودي سوري هاجر الى إسرائيل عام 1959، حيث ولد دانيال عام 1975. وقال إن ظروفه العائلية مكّنته من الحصول على الجنسية الألمانية، وأن موارده المالية عائدة من عمله في شركات تجارية في إسرائيل وفي دول أوروبية وقبرص.
وخلال التحقيق، قال إنه تعلم العربية في دولة الإمارات العربية المتحدة على يد مواطن من البحرين، وإنه يزور الأردن ومصر بصورة دورية، ثم تبيّن من مراجعة جواز سفره أنه دخل الى لبنان 11 مرة منذ عام 2005، وأنه كان في لبنان قبل شهر من عدوان تموز عام 2006، ثم تبيّن أن آخر زيارة له الى لبنان كانت قبل أربعة أيام، وكان مقرراً أن يسافر أول من أمس.
وعند تبريره لعلاقاته الجنسية في لبنان، تحدث عن زيارات عدة له الى الضاحية الجنوبية والى مناطق أخرى، وقال إن له أصدقاء يقطنون في الضاحية وبيروت وزغرتا وجونية وأماكن اخرى، ولا عمل لديه في لبنان، وانه يزوره حصرياً بقصد إقامة علاقات جنسية.
وفي المعلومات أيضاً، تبيّن أن إدارة فندق الشيراتون الذي أقام فيه الموقوف نفسه آخر مرة، لم تكن تعلم بكل بياناته، وأن موظفاً في الفندق أفاد بأن شارون طلب منه عدم تسجيل كامل اسمه الثلاثي لقاء مبلغ من المال، وهو الأمر الذي يجري التدقيق فيه، علماً بأن التحقيقات أظهرته متماسكاً قليل الانفعال، وأنه يعرف الكثير عن لبنان ويجيد العربية، كما يستخدم بعض الامثال الشعبية في إطار عرضه، وهو نفى تماماً أن يكون هنا في مهمة استخبارية. وتبيّن أن شارون يحمل جوازيْ سفر صادرين عن الحكومة الألمانية.
تبيّن من خلال التحقيق أنه كان قد أرسل، على حسابه، العنصر الأمني صاحب المسدس إلى خارج لبنان أكثر من مرة، وأن الأخير سهّل له بعض الأمور داخل لبنان
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well i understand that some of u 3ando khat siyese m3ayan, bas why dont u try 2 be logic? so lets analyse things like they happened
1- Ghanem & Gemayel get assassinated while they were behaving not as MP, in other terms, Gemayel ken 3am bi 3aze w atalou & Ghanem was visiting some of his frds w atalou, so som1 who really know them and it can b one of them who killed them or hene ka 7ezb "makhrou2in"
2- Jubran & ghanem after 2 days from their presence in Lebanon they have been killed, and we know eno ma 7ada bya3rif aymata byejo so..???
3- Ghanem was in his car but l nomra mghayara w usually ken 3am bikoun bi siyara mawaha, so once again how comes?
4- why u always judge siryans w americans... eno leh mech lebanese?
5- i wanna ask u al, min mestafid meno eno kel ras masi7e ytir?
in my opinion some think that they can kill GMA siyesiyan bi eno y7ardo 3alam 3leh, w that they can kill 7ezb kateb jasadiyan.... so whos this one?

god bless you.
is this an IQ test or what?.
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