Success

**Tawa** · 10-26-2009

Success follows experience.

حَلِّل وناقش

Gilgamesh · 10-26-2009

This can be understood in many ways, maybe infinite number of ways which makes it impossible to simply assert that the statement is either valid or not...

First of all, there is no universal and agreed on way to measure success. It is an old philosophical question. How do you measure success? By dollars? By happiness and satisfaction? By offspring? By achievement of religious duties? The definition of success changes from a person to another and from a time to another...

Even if you agree on one notion of success, this statement can still mean that either success is impossible without experience which is not true. Many examples in history show you that a lot of people through creativity and not experience got to be successful. Others got successful through their courage and bold moves.

The other way to interpret it might be that success is a natural consequence of experience. That is also not true. Everyone has a lot of experience at least in one thing right? Clearly not everyone is successful...

halhoula · 10-26-2009

This is partially very true. Once you are experienced in a certain field you become the king there, you know everything. So logically you are bound to succeed.

BAS on the other side i do believe in luck: some people happen to be very lucky and success just follows them around.

In conclusion experience is very necessairy for someone to succeed but luck can also play a major role...

SysTaMatIcS · 10-27-2009

Not really , this semester im taking the math course for the 3rd time after 2 withdraws in 2 previous semesters , so now im very experienced at math and im still failing

hegma · 10-28-2009

I think this quote was appropriate for the discussion:

“My mother drew a distinction between achievement and success. She said that achievement is the knowledge that you have studied and worked hard and done the best that is in you. Success is being praised by others. That is nice but not as important or satisfying. Always aim for achievement – success will follow.”

Helen Hayes
1900-1993, Award Winning Actress

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Tawa  Last Online: 12-20-2021 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6,245 Thanks: 2,121 Thanked 3,365 Times in 1,740 Posts Groans: 29 Groaned at 44 Times in 35 Posts	Success Success follows experience. حَلِّل وناقش __________________ What we do in life, echoes in eternity.

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halhoula Registered Member Last Online: 02-12-2014 Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 286 Thanks: 933 Thanked 373 Times in 171 Posts Groans: 8 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is partially very true. Once you are experienced in a certain field you become the king there, you know everything. So logically you are bound to succeed. BAS on the other side i do believe in luck: some people happen to be very lucky and success just follows them around. In conclusion experience is very necessairy for someone to succeed but luck can also play a major role... __________________ Life is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure and 50% pain

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SysTaMatIcS Registered Member Last Online: 10-14-2022 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,467 Thanks: 14,136 Thanked 4,244 Times in 2,547 Posts Groans: 186 Groaned at 198 Times in 120 Posts	Not really , this semester im taking the math course for the 3rd time after 2 withdraws in 2 previous semesters , so now im very experienced at math and im still failing __________________ problems of performance appraisal is that it sucks to memorize them Last edited by SysTaMatIcS; 10-27-2009 at 11:40 PM.

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hegma Registered Member Last Online: 10-02-2012 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 366 Thanks: 110 Thanked 227 Times in 126 Posts Groans: 12 Groaned at 14 Times in 8 Posts	I think this quote was appropriate for the discussion: “My mother drew a distinction between achievement and success. She said that achievement is the knowledge that you have studied and worked hard and done the best that is in you. Success is being praised by others. That is nice but not as important or satisfying. Always aim for achievement – success will follow.” Helen Hayes 1900-1993, Award Winning Actress __________________ Let's paint the world ORANGE

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Gilgamesh Registered Member Last Online: 11-16-2009 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,005 Thanks: 632 Thanked 1,449 Times in 834 Posts Groans: 12 Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts	This can be understood in many ways, maybe infinite number of ways which makes it impossible to simply assert that the statement is either valid or not... First of all, there is no universal and agreed on way to measure success. It is an old philosophical question. How do you measure success? By dollars? By happiness and satisfaction? By offspring? By achievement of religious duties? The definition of success changes from a person to another and from a time to another... Even if you agree on one notion of success, this statement can still mean that either success is impossible without experience which is not true. Many examples in history show you that a lot of people through creativity and not experience got to be successful. Others got successful through their courage and bold moves. The other way to interpret it might be that success is a natural consequence of experience. That is also not true. Everyone has a lot of experience at least in one thing right? Clearly not everyone is successful...

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