Thieving Death

[FriendOfZeus]

And who wouldnt have done that? Who wouldn't have used such big an event to gain from it? The political and geopolitical climate was very suitable for that. As for the countries in the middle east "uniting" ,I don't see why. Why would I wanna unite with Asad's Syria, Saddam's Iraq, Wahhabi's Saudi Arabia, or the Jordan Kingdom...I see them in no way better than Israel as an ally.

WoW time phases are jumping all around in this paragraph. Ok, u answered in a way as though i asked a question or provoqued clarification, in the part in which u replyed i only put up my explanation of what happened and what were the intentions of the zionists, i wasnt judging them or saying they were wrong...so i dont understand why u came up to be defensive on this point.

So, by what ur saying, i deem that u conceive what they did to be wrong? Point taken; a popular resolution...but a rightful one?

I dont understand as to who ur refering to by saying "why would i wanna unite?" u mean the lebanese people? If so remember that back in WWII, the arabs were partially united under King Husseins banner, if they had kept strong and acted willfully their alliance would have perceveired, yet they crumbled upon the backstabbing of the western powers. And the 1st attacks on the 1st jewish settlements, werent they lead by arab armies lead by arab banners?

It is never safe to use the logic that blames the victims but I will go along with you. By comparison, why did Palestinians stay in Palestine after Theoder Herzl's book and the start of Zionism? Couldn't have they left palestine before the jews came? I am not saying that is what they should have done, but you are saying that is what the Jews in Germany should have done. They were German citizens with the same rights as any german citizen, why would they leave their country? Allies were way ahead of the Nazis not because of the holocaust but because of many military and economic reasons you would know if you would look deeper into WW2. Adding to all that, many ships filled with jews escaping the areas under Nazi control were not allowed to land in many countries including the U.S.

So ur actually comparing the two situations together. Ur comparing threats done by using books towards the palestinian people (among which 50% couldnt read), from another continent, from people the palestinians havent even heard of in their dreams . To threats from a dictator, in a country known for its aggression to the Jews for hundreds of years, where the jews arent the natural citizens (aryan race)....ill use the same logic; the indigenous people of middle and north america should have jumped into the sea and swam to hawai upon the emergence of strange visitors with guns from another world. Hell no they arent going to flee and leave their lifes and lands behind. They are going to fight and give their lives for them. Where the hell are they going to live if they abandon their lands. The Jewish reality is far different to the palestinian one, for one; the jews have been a refugee population for hundreds of years, the palestinians have been indigenous to the area for millenia, the jews have been accustomed to moving around every once in a while due to a certain massacre or catastrophy (thats part of why they adopted to excel in trade and banking where as the palestinians are farmers at essence because of the stable condition of their lives). 2nd germany to the jews is unimportant for it holds no religous or historical significance and it is not their natural country, so i dont see them clinging to it, like the palestinians would to their lands. Could u further explain this: "Allies were way ahead of the Nazis not because of the holocaust but because of many military and economic reasons you would know if you would look deeper into WW2. "

"Adding to all that, many ships filled with jews escaping the areas under Nazi control were not allowed to land in many countries including the U.S."
Im sorry, but im gonna ask for proof to this argument, and by "many" how many jews or ships do u mean?

I'll get back to this later gotta study

[El-Meghwar]

for the ones who are yetfalsafing 3a rabbeh be osset l "Jews" :
i just replied on the main text posted by FoZ, and they didn't mention zionism in their text but they mentionned Jews, so i can't reply using the word ZIONISM since it isn't mentionned in the text !! i used Jews because the text is talking about Jews !!

[FriendOfZeus]

Wlek rawe2 ya meghwar ma bada hal2ad bass rawe2 l 2a3sab hehehe "D
I did mention something about Zionism here:

Holocaust had been used as a tool from the beginnig, the systematic killing of the Jews had been used as a tool by the allies and Zionists to enforce a Jewish state

But hata everyone is entitled to his own opinion, w as a supposedly cultured and civilized people ya mister X coder we can go about laying our views on things without dissrespecting others.

[SysTaMatIcS]

i have nothin against jews , but for ur information , ALL jews including the zionists have beliefs that will shock ur mind , such as the " GOYEM " theyr the real humans chosen by god , and the rest of us are animals who decended from the horses , and god made us look like humans so we can serve them , have u ever read the " talmood " it says that prophet moses was " gay " and he " raped " his mother or sister , somethin like tht , they can believe watever they want to , i cant blindly hate them , and want them all killed, but sure they dont have my respect as a whole relegion

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

go to wikipedia and read about Zionism before hating it solely because SHN does

I think Zionism existed before 1960 or 1982 or 1996, and our hate to zionism doesn't come from an individual and neither it's influenced by a certain party ... (that shows how much you don't know about them)
and you shouldn't moque someone's self judgement and belief just because you have "SHN phobia" or "HA phobia" ...
And before betting by your own kidneys, you should take your own advise and read more about zionism (mish bass bil wikipedia)

Thank You ...

[SysTaMatIcS]

فوجئ الرأي العام السويسري بإعلانات في كبريات الصحف الدولية بما فيها صحيفتا نويه تسورخر تسايتونغ ولوتون السويسريتان، تصف البلاد بأنها تساهم في تمويل الإرهاب من خلال توقيع اتفاقية شراء غاز طبيعي من إيران.

وتقف وراء تلك الحملة مؤسسة يهودية أميركية تحمل اسم رابطة مكافحة التشهير، كان لها دور هام في الجدل الذي شهدته سويسرا أواخر ثمانينيات القرن الماضي حول ودائع اليهود بالمصارف السويسرية.

وإن كانت صياغة الإعلان قد اختلفت من صحيفة لأخرى، فإنها تتفق على ضرورة تحذير الرأي العام من خطورة هذا التعاقد "لأن عائده سيذهب لتمويل صواريخ حزب الله وعمليات انتحارية تقوم بها حركة المقاومة الإسلامية (حماس) ودعم البرنامج النووي الإيراني وخلايا إرهابية بأوروبا وخارجها".

تحذير السويسريين
ويطالب الإعلان المنشور أمس في نويه تسورخر تسايتونغ بضرورة تحذير كل مواطن بأن بلاده تمول حكومة دولة تدوس حقوق الإنسان بالأقدام بصفة خاصة حقوق الطفل والمرأة.

وخاطب الإعلان وزيرة الخارجية ميشلين كالمي ري قائلا "عندما تمولون دولة ارهابية فإنكم تمولون الإرهاب" مذكرا بتصريحات الوزيرة العام الماضي التي وضعت فيها مكافحة الإرهاب على رأس أولويات بلادها.

لكن الإعلان كان أكثر حدة بصحف نيويورك تايمز ونيويورك صن والطبعة الدولية من هيرالد تريبيون وطبعة أوروبا من وول ستريت جورنال، إذ بدأ بعنوان "خمنوا.. ما أحدث دولة في العالم تمول الإرهاب؟ .. إنها سويسرا".

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تقف وراء الحملة مؤسسة يهودية أميركية تحمل اسم رابطة مكافحة التشهير، كان لها دور هام في قضية ودائع اليهود بالبنوك السويسرية منذ الحرب العالمية الثانية
"سويسرا ليست وحدها
بالمقابل أكدت الخارجية أن بنود صفقة الغاز تتماشى مع قرارات الأمم المتحدة بشأن فرض عقوبات على إيران، بل إن خبراء الخارجية تأكدوا من مطابقة الصفقة حتى للقوانين الأميركية.

وقد أعرب العديد من الساسة الذين استطلعت الجزيرة نت آراءهم عن استيائهم لهذه الهجمة الإعلامية، وأشاروا إلى أن الاتحاد الأوروبي والصين واليابان والهند وكوريا وعشرات الدول لها علاقات تجارية مع إيران" ولذا فإن ما قامت به سويسرا ليس أمرا غريبا على الإطلاق".

سابقة الودائع
يُذكر أن رابطة مكافحة التشهير كانت في صلب الجدل في البلاد أواخر ثمانينيات القرن الماضي عندما بدأت منظمات يهودية تطالب بأرصدة اليهود المنسية بالمصارف السويسرية منذ الحرب العالمية الثانية.

وعندما رفضت كبريات المصارف الرضوخ لتلك المطالب لسقوط حق المطالبة بالتقادم، قامت منظمات يهودية مختلفة بما فيها رابطة مكافحة التشهير بتضييق الخناق على المؤسسات المالية حتى رضخت تلك الأخيرة وقامت بسداد الأموال مع أرباحها وفوائدها.

وقد تأسست رابطة مكافحة التشهير بالولايات المتحدة عام 1913 "بهدف حماية يهود العالم من القمع والتشهير" ولها فروع بأكثر من دولة، إذ توصف بأنها صاحبة تأثير على دوائر صناعة القرار السياسي ببعض الدول، وتصل ميزانيتها السنوية حوالي 54 مليون دولار.

كما تمنح جائزة سنوية باسم "جائزة رجال الدولة الموقرين" حصلت عليها شخصيات بارزة بالسياسة الدولية مثل ديك تشيني نائب الرئيس الأميركي، ورئيس الوزراء الإيطالي السابق سيلفيو برلسكوني، ورئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي السابق آرييل شارون.

وتأتي هذه الحملة بعد أسبوع واحد من انتقادات حادة وجهها المجلس اليهودي العالمي لسويسرا لإبرامها تلك الاتفاقية رغم معارضة اتحاد المنظمات اليهودية السويسرية لتدخل هيئات خارجية في توجيه انتقادات إلى سويسرا.

وكانت شركة (إي جي إل) السويسرية للطاقة قد أبرمت منتصف مارس/ آذار الماضي صفقة مع الشركة الوطنية الإيرانية لتصدير الغاز، تحصل الأولى بموجبها على 5.5 مليارات متر مكعب من الغاز الطبيعي لمدة 25 عاما بسعر يتراوح بين عشرة و15 مليار دولار حسب الأسعار العالمية.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by abousoun

I think Zionism existed before 1960 or 1982 or 1996, and our hate to zionism doesn't come from an individual and neither it's influenced by a certain party ... (that shows how much you don't know about them)
and you shouldn't moque someone's self judgement and belief just because you have "SHN phobia" or "HA phobia" ...
And before betting by your own kidneys, you should take your own advise and read more about zionism (mish bass bil wikipedia)

Thank You ...

Zionism started with Theodor Herzl. I know a lot about it bas I dont want to name books because I know the chances are very low that he or anyone will go read them. Books about Zionism, how it evolved to carry religious goals (which wasn't how it started), the relationship between Zionism and Freemasons, and finally till today the relationship between Zionism and evangelical Christians in the west in their apocalyptic alliance. Of course a lot too about how the so-called Zionist plan was carried on w ghayro. You still have the same problem my friend, you only reply to what might seem easy to reply to I have no HA phobia, you have the HA dogmatic obsession syndrome and feel an itch when someone mentions them Don't worry , I look further from wikipedia for my sources, lol u still couldn't tell ?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

Wlek rawe2 ya meghwar ma bada hal2ad bass rawe2 l 2a3sab hehehe "D
I did mention something about Zionism here:

But hata everyone is entitled to his own opinion, w as a supposedly cultured and civilized people ya mister X coder we can go about laying our views on things without dissrespecting others.

But FoZ that is what happened....El-Meghwar gave his opinion in Jews and Xcoder gave his opinion in El-Meghwar for holding such opinions...perfectly clean play

I think El-Meghwar's problem was that he didn't explain why he thinks Jews are "evils" and "liars", a fact that makes his post incomplete and leaves us curious to know the rest

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by athegan

But FoZ that is what happened....El-Meghwar gave his opinion in Jews and Xcoder gave his opinion in El-Meghwar for holding such opinions...perfectly clean play

I think El-Meghwar's problem was that he didn't explain why he thinks Jews are "evils" and "liars", a fact that makes his post incomplete and leaves us curious to know the rest

i think i stated some of the reasons before ..

[abousoun]

Originally Posted by athegan

You still have the same problem my friend, you only reply to what might seem easy to reply to I have no HA phobia, you have the HA dogmatic obsession syndrome and feel an itch when someone mentions them Don't worry , I look further from wikipedia for my sources, lol u still couldn't tell ?

Well it's easy when you see something wrong to reply on it ... and since you read many books about zionism (which is something good for you) where did you find the part where it says our zionism hate comes from SHN ?
fa bala hal laf w el dawaran w the usage of "not it's not me ... it's you" ...
and beleive me i can easily know phobias and obsessions ... u still can't tell

and just a comment, that Herzel was the founder of new zionism or modern zionism (something like that) ... after being a social or religious mvt, he made the political mvt ...

Thank You ...