Lebanese Forces - Lebanese Army

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by xcoder

[B]
How do you see the Army behavior since the Syrian withdrawal? and how is it dealing with things?

Since the Syrian withdrawal the army's behavior is good, it could have dealt with Nahr El Bared more quickly without all the loss of lifes imo bass that's another topic.

During the demonstrations in Down Town few months ago i was stopped more than 4 times in 1 week and fatashouneh from A to Z and checked my papers... and asked me many questions.

You're sure it was not the indibat people , anyways it's not the same that's how you protect the demo, on 28 feb the orders were close downtown yet the soldiers left it open.

2 months before the battles of naher el bared finishes the minister of defense announced the end of the battles for unclear reasons yet but the army fights didn't stop until few weeks ago and the Army payed BIG TIME in these battles.
What i can't get is that the Army leadership is pro syrian and fate7 al islam is pro syrian lol and why that? because the Army chief said that al kaeda is behind fate7 al islam then he's pro syrian and trying to protect syria what a poor logic.

I am not saying he is pro-Syrian because he said Fat7 L Islam is not from Syria, I am saying he is pro-Syrian based on his history with the Syrians! Rafik L Hariri his allies and the current succession were pro Syrian bass mich the Syrians jeboowone, jebo 7alone, that's the difference, Sleiman was appointed by Syria much like the one in Baabda, and if you don't wanna trust Joumblat you can't trust Sleiman!

w btw: the logic in the last sentence is close to the logic of 14 March are killing each others so eza badak according to those logics we can say that we have two groups in Lebanon exterminating themselves !

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

Since the Syrian withdrawal the army's behavior is good, it could have dealt with Nahr El Bared more quickly without all the loss of lifes imo bass that's another topic.

More quickly? since the incident of ein alak the government didn't react to continue the investigations to find the killers knowing that just after the attack on the Lebanese Army the pro government asked to arrest the persons who did that attack and not destroy that terrorist organization.
Teb w since the Army is doing a good job since the syrian withdrawal and taking care of things the way it should knowing that they are powerless because our ex governments specified a small budget to the Army, then i can't find where's the problem in michel sleiman!

You're sure it was not the indibat people , anyways it's not the same that's how you protect the demo, on 28 feb the orders were close downtown yet the soldiers left it open.

Army orders based on what?

I am not saying he is pro-Syrian because he said Fat7 L Islam is not from Syria, I am saying he is pro-Syrian based on his history with the Syrians! Rafik L Hariri his allies and the current succession were pro Syrian bass mich the Syrians jeboowone, jebo 7alone, that's the difference, Sleiman was appointed by Syria

No my friend hariri and gheir hariri were appointed by syrians in 1992 we were under the syrian occupation and hariri came that time because KSA and Syria were still close friends and he was appointed.

much like the one in Baabda, and if you don't wanna trust Joumblat you can't trust Sleiman!

I can't trust someone because of his action, not based on an if statement.

w btw: the logic in the last sentence is close to the logic of 14 March are killing each others so eza badak according to those logics we can say that we have two groups in Lebanon exterminating themselves !

We never said they are, we said some people have black history of killing their own people and have black history in assassinations and 14feb is benefiting politically from the assassinations weather you admit or not.
I m wondering what's Michel sleiman benefit from nahr l bared battles!

[SysTaMatIcS]

once again we c this :

george bush : whos not with us , then hes against us

LF : whos not with us then hes against us ... is the american embssador teaching them the tactics?? how dare they talk bad abt the army! after all the sacrifices! , i bet in few months , the army ra7 yseer soori-irani! , if that was true , they wouldv ended the nahr il bared issue in a simple way , letting the commanders run away , so no one will know that syria is behind them! []

[FriendOfZeus]

I am going to follow ur logic. U see u cant judge people when u have done the same crimes as they did or even worth....but thats the reality in lebanon. Ma fi hada byethassab w ha ydalo ykoudouna jame3a sara2in nahabin w mejermin.

"You're sure it was not the indibat people , anyways it's not the same that's how you protect the demo, on 28 feb the orders were close downtown yet the soldiers left it open."
If the army would have wanted to no one would have gotten within 5 miles of downtown. But because it is a patriotic institution, it did the right thing, so dont go around saying that the army is with one side against the other while all of the evidence points otherwise.

"Rafik L Hariri his allies and the current succession were pro Syrian bass mich the Syrians jeboowone, jebo 7alone, that's the difference, Sleiman was appointed by Syria much like the one in Baabda, and if you don't wanna trust Joumblat you can't trust Sleiman!"

I am going to follow ur logic on this issue. In the war if it wasnt for the syrians basicly most of the christian leadership now present would have evaporated...so basicly all the of the leaders now owe their presence to the syrians. But thats old news, and since the lebanese tend to have a really short memory, im gonna remind you that geagea also went to syria, so how can u acuse someone of a misstep if u have done the same thing? I just dont understand how u can swallow that huge sum of contradiction.

[xcoder]

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[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by xcoder

More quickly? since the incident of ein alak the government didn't react to continue the investigations to find the killers knowing that just after the attack on the Lebanese Army the pro government asked to arrest the persons who did that attack and not destroy that terrorist organization.

When the Naher L Bared campaign started some people of a known political side, were against finishing those terrorists even after they murdered the soldiers. Imagine the reaction of those people to a gov they don't trust launching an attack against a camp because of an investigation they don't trust.

Teb w since the Army is doing a good job since the syrian withdrawal and taking care of things the way it should knowing that they are powerless because our ex governments specified a small budget to the Army, then i can't find where's the problem in michel sleiman!

Our ex govs specified a small budget for the army and it was controlled by someone, bass let's say they specified a big budget, who would give the army weapons??

Army orders based on what?
No my friend hariri and gheir hariri were appointed by syrians in 1992 we were under the syrian occupation and hariri came that time because KSA and Syria were still close friends and he was appointed.

Army orders mine the gov, bass now when they want to yenfkho bil jeich they say that it did not stop people in the demos, I am saying that mich l kiyadeh l ma wa2afit l people its the soldiers that didn't ya3neh mich l kiyadeh 3atyit the order not to stop people!
Yep Hariri was accepted by Syria coz he's in KSA camp, bass mich heneh jeboo, bi 3akss sleiman

I can't trust someone because of his action, not based on an if statement.

But that doesn't make the if statement false!

We never said they are, we said some people have black history of killing their own people and have black history in assassinations and 14feb is benefiting politically from the assassinations weather you admit or not.

ok we can't discuss this.

I m wondering what's Michel sleiman benefit from nahr l bared battles!

Some people in 14 March are saying that all this was a "game" to get him the presidency, ya3neh kif some FPMers are saying a Jordanian helicopter (or saudi depends on the version) took El Abssi out of the camp. Some are saying Abssi left in Sleimans car to Syria. Hala2 in my opinion both theories are super-extra-stupid. coz anyone with a little grey cells can tell that the soldiers on the ground would notice this happening in both case and I don't think they'll like it. Bass uno you know this is the country were people think US blew the world trade center to go to Iraq and blow it's men up to win some kind of thing no body gets till now, hala2 sorna Lebanese are blowing themselves up to control a farm!

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

When the Naher L Bared campaign started some people of a known political side, were against finishing those terrorists even after they murdered the soldiers. Imagine the reaction of those people to a gov they don't trust launching an attack against a camp because of an investigation they don't trust.

Yes and our position was clear about that matter, we even opened a thread if you remember about it.

Our ex govs specified a small budget for the army and it was controlled by someone, bass let's say they specified a big budget, who would give the army weapons??

At least they won't find themselves begging syria or u.s to get some support not to fight terrorist groups with sticks and water.
And don't worry when there's money there's weapon

Army orders mine the gov, bass now when they want to yenfkho bil jeich they say that it did not stop people in the demos, I am saying that mich l kiyadeh l ma wa2afit l people its the soldiers that didn't ya3neh mich l kiyadeh 3atyit the order not to stop people!

Yes i agree, but the issue is who is the "kiyadeh"

Yep Hariri was accepted by Syria coz he's in KSA camp, bass mich heneh jeboo, bi 3akss sleiman

You can't ignore years and years the man spent in the army saying he was appointed maybe he was accepted by syria as well. the man wasn't playing football and told him yalla ta3a 3mol Army chief that's what happened with hariri who had no political background.

But that doesn't make the if statement false!

Nor true, then it depends on the criteria

ok we can't discuss this.

If you think otherwise, go ahead.

Some people in 14 March are saying that all this was a "game" to get him the presidency,

lol, it's easy and clear who doesn't match 14feb ideas is playing games and syrian slave, please get me one name who isn't supporting 14feb and isn't syrian agent.
Maybe michel sleiman funded fate7 al islam who knows

ya3neh kif some FPMers are saying a Jordanian helicopter (or saudi depends on the version) took El Abssi out of the camp.

This is the first time i hear this! however it's really weird why the abssi familia was allowed to leave the country same for the Palestinian religious men while they gave the authorities wrong information about absi.
But the links that relate FM for example to that terrorist group are the link between bahia Hariri for example with jund el sham who killed 2 Lebanese Soldiers and non was arrested. Also the backup of hariri to free the prisoners of donnieh incidents who had same mentality as fate7 al islam and many were killed in the latest battles.

Bass uno you know this is the country were people think US blew the world trade center to go to Iraq and blow it's men up to win some kind of thing no body gets till now, hala2 sorna Lebanese are blowing themselves up to control a farm!

Man things aren't as simple as you see them.
in politics 1 + 1 <> 2

[IBIN BATTOUTA]

guys,

what drew my attention the most is JOHN-A statements.
he wants to put it all on LF.
the way i used to put it since 1989 and until october 13.

i used to go crazy....accusing LF of fighting the LA.
until i confronted an LFer who stated that LF did not fight the LA.

How come?.

Hoss government was the legitimate government at that time.
Hoss government was recognized by the UN and the Arab league.

Hoss government appointed Gen. Emille Lahoud as army chief.
So the army under Lahoud command was the legitimate army.

which means.
GMA and co are illegal prime minister, ministers and army.

which means
LF did not fight the legal LA.
LF fought............... a rebel part of the LA under the command of the rebel GMA.
the Legal LA fought a rebel part of the LA under the command of the rebel GMA.

i wanted to comment on this point.
as i'm not here to defend an Lfer point of view.
who does not necessarily represent the LF.

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by IBIN BATTOUTA

guys,

what drew my attention the most is JOHN-A statements.
he wants to put it all on LF.
the way i used to put it since 1989 and until october 13.

i used to go crazy....accusing LF of fighting the LA.
until i confronted an LFer who stated that LF did not fight the LA.

How come?.

Hoss government was the legitimate government at that time.
Hoss government was recognized by the UN and the Arab league.

Hoss government appointed Gen. Emille Lahoud as army chief.
So the army under Lahoud command was the legitimate army.

which means.
GMA and co are illegal prime minister, ministers and army.

which means
LF did not fight the legal LA.
LF fought............... a rebel part of the LA under the command of the rebel GMA.
the Legal LA fought a rebel part of the LA under the command of the rebel GMA.

i wanted to comment on this point.
as i'm not here to defend an Lfer point of view.
who does not necessarily represent the LF.

ur an lfer also , lfers killing people on the identity , is killing the army , lfers doing massacares is killing the army , lfers rebelling and doing wat they done back then , is killing the army , nd then how can u say that abt the army , and it was united back then?!

[IBIN BATTOUTA]

as for the main thread subject.

i do understand the guy worries.
but totally disagree on involving leadership and members of the LA in this.

a country is never tailor made to our needs and requirements.

an army is never tailor made to our own ambitions.
i wish the army was all Lfers or SSNPers......nonsense.

an army has a strategy as well as the government.
it belongs to and it conflicts with.
we belong to the arab world......and are in constant conflict with israel.

we are in conflict with....
israel as an occupation force and fighting israel is the main cause.
understood.

but....

if we are.................. israel's enemies.
and syrian regime is....israel's enemy.
doesn't make us........ syrian regime allies.

if we are...................arabs
and syrian regime is....arab
doesn't make us.........syrian regime allies.

the syrian regime not dealing with lebanon as a free country.
the syrian regime not opening an embassy in lebanon.
the syrian regime not respecting our borders.
the syrian regime not refraining from classifying lebanese as patriots and traitors.
the syrian regime not telling us what happened about our detainees.
won't make us............syrian regime allies.

the syrian regime brotherly presence and interference in lebanon.
the syrian regime killing, kidnapping, imposing, stealing.......
the syrian regime sins that had been commited by the name of the arabic causes...
made at least....... big portion of the lebanese look at syria as equal to israel.

that's why you should understand that
the guy is not objecting on ISRAEL being the enemy.
but all the objections are on Syrian regime being the allied.