Lebanese Forces - Lebanese Army

[IBIN BATTOUTA]

Originally Posted by xcoder

I am talking about the battles, the main fronts were with the LF, PSP and Syrians.
And don't try to skip the point, the new liberation leaders were fighting the Army with syrian arms and now accusing us being syrians. That's what i call stupidity..

thank you for the stupidity issue.

the only facts are:
1-syria supplied GMA with ammunitions through Dhour El Choueir....during the Ilghaa war.
2-LF shared with GMA the arms and ammunitions it was receiving through port beirut before and during the liberation war.
3-PSP and LA were not playing football since 1982.
4-Ilghaa war was not a football match as well.
5-on the eve of October 13, HA militants entered Hadath and eastern beirut areas?....they even clashed in Hadath with Hobeika supporters....true?.
6-War is not only a demarcation line or shooting..........
the political war was conducted by all those who described and marketed GMA as illegitimate.....and power lover.....
that includes for sure all his allies today.
7-do you think syrian amry needed the help of few LFers to overcome GMA?.

Originally Posted by xcoder

Akid!! he didn't accept any negotiations about Lebanon sovereignty and freedom and was against taef that gave us 15 years of occupation and debts....

but taef had the consent of the lebanese majority.
shiaa alone are 30% of the lebanese population.
most of your MPs supported it.
all the national movement parties supported it.

Originally Posted by xcoder

We're not playing football here, we're talking about a country and people who suffered and still suffering from the same people who killed, stole and ruining their country..

stop please...
don't give me killing and ruining.......
were you counting bodies during liberation and elghaa wars?.
did you room around east beirut after the liberation and elghaa wars?.

Originally Posted by xcoder

loool, he had the people support in 1989 and the liberation war and he got the people support in every single elections if you think sweeping maten, keserwen and all the christian areas not a support then your logic may be another version than mine.

People are free to support GMA.
i was talking about political support that was given to him.
how did he make use of it?.
did he misuse it?........you tell me.

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by xcoder

And don't worry when there's money there's weapon

There's AK 47s and RPGs not fighter jets and missiles

Yes i agree, but the issue is who is the "kiyadeh"

Who is it?

You can't ignore years and years the man spent in the army saying he was appointed maybe he was accepted by syria as well. the man wasn't playing football and told him yalla ta3a 3mol Army chief that's what happened with hariri who had no political background.

Umh all I remember from him is the 'post-2005 army' is thanking souriya l assad in every bayein.
What's Aoun political background!!! you talk about political background while you are against wirateh and all this!! Hariri started working in Lebanon indirectly in the 80s btw

lol, it's easy and clear who doesn't match 14feb ideas is playing games and syrian slave, please get me one name who isn't supporting 14feb and isn't syrian agent.
Maybe michel sleiman funded fate7 al islam who knows
This is the first time i hear this! however it's really weird why the abssi familia was allowed to leave the country same for the Palestinian religious men while they gave the authorities wrong information about absi.

The army denied they left, w didn't get the first point

But the links that relate FM for example to that terrorist group are the link between bahia Hariri for example with jund el sham who killed 2 Lebanese Soldiers and non was arrested. Also the backup of hariri to free the prisoners of donnieh incidents who had same mentality as fate7 al islam and many were killed in the latest battles.

you know my position about this.

Man things aren't as simple as you see them.
in politics 1 + 1 <> 2

yep but overanalyzing is also wrong, ya3neh FPMers are becoming like the person in the forum who thinks that microwaves are from area 51.

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by IBIN BATTOUTA

thank you for the stupidity issue.
the only facts are:
1-syria supplied GMA with ammunitions through Dhour El Choueir....during the
Ilghaa war.

Let me try to understand it, according to your logic the Army was fighting the Syrians and being supplied by them?

2-LF shared with GMA the arms and ammunitions it was receiving through port beirut before and during the liberation war.

i thought he wasn't legitimate and they supported the legitimate government of hoss and that the Liberation war was an adventure. 3temdo ba2a!

3-PSP and LA were not playing football since 1982.

basketball?

4-Ilghaa war was not a football match as well.

Stop repeating the same track every day, the LF strategy was clear against General Aoun since day one and their relation with amin gemayel after that was based on the same level.

5-on the eve of October 13, HA militants entered Hadath and eastern beirut areas?....they even clashed in Hadath with Hobeika supporters....true?.

I am not saying hizbullah or lahoud or any others are angels, most of them had fights with the army but the main fronts of the Lebanese Army were 2 that turned into 1 later. Syria + psp fronts and the LF fronts.

6-War is not only a demarcation line or shooting..........
the political war was conducted by all those who described and marketed GMA as illegitimate.....and power lover....
that includes for sure all his allies today.

And still, the same ones who never left the chair are accusing him of their own characters (agent and power lover).

7-do you think syrian amry needed the help of few LFers to overcome GMA?.

This doesn't change the fact that the LF supported the Syrians invading the free areas. if this is not clear for you then debate over.

but taef had the consent of the lebanese majority.
shiaa alone are 30% of the lebanese population.

What? most of the Lebanese population?
First according to the constitution that parliament wasn't legal because it was elected since 14 years. and was canceled by General Aoun!
Amd Hizbullah was against the taef agreement.

most of your MPs supported it.

Most of our MPs are FPMers

all the national movement parties supported it.

That's another prove that they all had a hand in it.
And that taef agreement and legitimate caused us 15 years of syrian occupation that they were part of it and some were thrown out of the game when they thought they were the same level of the occupier.
We were with taef on all sides but wanted to specify that fasle that made those national movements call GMA crazy (i ll try to get u the speech about the comment when he said "how can i make sure syrians will withdraw in 2 years").

stop please...
don't give me killing and ruining.......
were you counting bodies during liberation and elghaa wars?.
did you room around east beirut after the liberation and elghaa wars?.

Let me remind you that the war started in 1975 and not 1988, stop taking people for stupid and blind the country was already destroyed w mghama2.
The liberation war against the occupier is a duty, who supported that occupation and tried to change later were either jailed or killed.

People are free to support GMA.

And they are.

i was talking about political support that was given to him.
how did he make use of it?.

What political support? we are proud to say it high we were alone to fight the occupiers fofr the last second,
Most of them were calling in the name of 3ouroube and syrian necessity to create stability in Lebanon backed by every single country pretending to care about Lebanon's freedom.

did he misuse it?........you tell me.

He used the support of the people who went to baabda under heavy battles to support the Army. when things reach the level of sovereignty and freedom of your country there are no politics wala man ya7zanoun.

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by lebanese_a

There's AK 47s and RPGs not fighter jets and missiles

Get real, some are creating nuclear bombs without permission. few helicopters and planes from russia won't be a bad thing.
However 47s and RPGs are still better than sticks.

Who is it?

political decision.

Umh all I remember from him is the 'post-2005 army' is thanking souriya l assad in every bayein.

I am not denying this, but his acts since 2005 are good enough to prove his ability and non sided position and away from Lebanese politician.

What's Aoun political background!!! you talk about political background while you are against wirateh and all this!! Hariri started working in Lebanon indirectly in the 80s btw

re-read what i said and you'll find yourself wrong aoun didn't come from no where he was chief of the Army and later prime minister...
Hariri came prime minister from no where, before 1992 he was unknown!
Which means he was appointed by KSA and Syria and not elected.

The army denied they left, w didn't get the first point

I am saying that who doesn't agree with 14feb is a syrian agent and non-lebanese either michel sleiman or gheiro.
The familia was shown on TV leaving the Lebanese soil with the help of the Red Cross.

you know my position about this.

Try to raise it more from time to other.

yep but overanalyzing is also wrong, ya3neh FPMers are becoming like the person in the forum who thinks that microwaves are from area 51.

No you're making everyone = everyone.
if michel sleiman was chief of the army during the syrian occupation then he's equal to jumblat otherwise bisir microwaves are from area 51 .