Thieving Death

[FriendOfZeus]

The Holocaust is the term used when describing the systematic killing commited by the Aryan race (otherwise the Germans) to other ethnic and religious groups in Europe and Russia (Mainly Slavs, Poles and Jews). Yet this blight has been used and abused to serve the interests and policies of nations, to force a Jewish home and to establish a choke point for the countries in the middle-east; keeping them from uniting and strenghthning.

Threats to annahilate Jewish populations in mainland Europe began in 1933, when Adolf Hitler, supreme ruler of Germany, made a public speech, declaring "The Final Solution". The meaning of this is the solution to Germany's problem with the Jewish populace and Jewish abuse. This plan called for the total demise of every Jew in Germany and beyond. The public threats went about by German officials until the eruption of WWII, when the massacres actually started.

Now, upon pondering on these facts, one can't help but ask one's self :"Why haven't the Jews been pulled out of Germnay in the midst of these substantial threats?" Hundreds of thousands of jews could have been saved through deportation and bribery! (they were known to posses vast riches and connections). Powerful Jewish figures and rabby's could have aided them insurmountably! and also time was on their side! For Hitler officially unfolded his plans TO THE WORLD of massacring Jews in 1933, that gave them a 6 year window! Yet nothing was done, they were so engulfed in the zionist dream, so bewildered by the promised land, that they perceived that the victims would be a necessity and a means to create the Jewish State. They were left to rot and die in concentration camps, when measures for saving them could have been eracted. Vast numbers could have been saved. The Holocaust had been used as a tool from the beginnig, the systematic killing of the Jews had been used as a tool by the allies and Zionists to enforce a Jewish state, to hide the magnitude of other massacres and to secure allied interest in the area through zionist empowerment. The allies relished upon every Jew killed, for they knew that for every corpse buried, their position would ameliorate....no other logical reason can be conjured for failing the millions that perished from hunger, torture, forced labor and gaz chambers.

Yet, the main reason for the amplification of the Holocaust was to divert attention from the massacres that were happening in Palestine against the Palestinian people and the to hide the fact that a few million people were forced out their lands and homes and schools and temples and were being robbed of their dignity and human rights, to be replaced by another population. The Holocaust was used as a diversion, to blindfold the eyes of the world community, in blurring the scale of the massacres and violations commited in Palestine by amplifying the significance of the Holocaust and make them focus mainly on the massacres that happened to the Jews and how they need to be recompensated.

Another reason for the abuse of the Holocaust was to validate the reason of enacting a strong Jewish nation in order to repell futur assaults on it. Of course the real reason for fortifying zionist Israel was to keep the middle-eastern countries weak; by years and years of conflict and war. Because the Ottoman Empire reached Vienna at some point in time, Islamic unity still caused fear in the mind of western leaders, fear of an Islamic/Arabic ressurgence.

And by weakening the middle-eastern countries and by maintaining strong western influence in the area, through an overpowered pan-western watch dog, the allies could tap in on the vast natural ressources of the region.

No one is advocating murder, but when such a tragedy is manipulated and used to cause more devastation; then it must be countered, for it had been transformed into something so vile that it sends no other message than that of greed, vengeance, "justified" mass murder and forced deportation.


By Mohamad Sleiman Haidar

[El-Meghwar]

the Jews are a bunch of liars and evils...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

the Jews are a bunch of liars and evils...

Don't say "Jews", say "Zionists".
I understand your anger, but blaming the Jews for something the Zionists did is like blaming all Muslims for 9/11.


However, it's true that the Zionists did use the events of the Holocaust to establish a Jewish state. In a book written by Norman Finkelstein, "The Holocaust Industry", there is proof of what and how they did it.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

The Holocaust is the term used when describing the systematic killing commited by the Aryan race (otherwise the Germans) to other ethnic and religious groups in Europe and Russia (Mainly Slavs, Poles and Jews). Yet this blight has been used and abused to serve the interests and policies of nations, to force a Jewish home and to establish a choke point for the countries in the middle-east; keeping them from uniting and strenghthning.

And who wouldnt have done that? Who wouldn't have used such big an event to gain from it? The political and geopolitical climate was very suitable for that. As for the countries in the middle east "uniting" ,I don't see why. Why would I wanna unite with Asad's Syria, Saddam's Iraq, Wahhabi's Saudi Arabia, or the Jordan Kingdom...I see them in no way better than Israel as an ally.

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

Now, upon pondering on these facts, one can't help but ask one's self :"Why haven't the Jews been pulled out of Germnay in the midst of these substantial threats?" Hundreds of thousands of jews could have been saved through deportation and bribery! (they were known to posses vast riches and connections). Powerful Jewish figures and rabby's could have aided them insurmountably! and also time was on their side! For Hitler officially unfolded his plans TO THE WORLD of massacring Jews in 1933, that gave them a 6 year window! Yet nothing was done, they were so engulfed in the zionist dream, so bewildered by the promised land, that they perceived that the victims would be a necessity and a means to create the Jewish State. They were left to rot and die in concentration camps, when measures for saving them could have been eracted. Vast numbers could have been saved. The Holocaust had been used as a tool from the beginnig, the systematic killing of the Jews had been used as a tool by the allies and Zionists to enforce a Jewish state, to hide the magnitude of other massacres and to secure allied interest in the area through zionist empowerment. The allies relished upon every Jew killed, for they knew that for every corpse buried, their position would ameliorate....no other logical reason can be conjured for failing the millions that perished from hunger, torture, forced labor and gaz chambers.

It is never safe to use the logic that blames the victims but I will go along with you. By comparison, why did Palestinians stay in Palestine after Theoder Herzl's book and the start of Zionism? Couldn't have they left palestine before the jews came? I am not saying that is what they should have done, but you are saying that is what the Jews in Germany should have done. They were German citizens with the same rights as any german citizen, why would they leave their country? Allies were way ahead of the Nazis not because of the holocaust but because of many military and economic reasons you would know if you would look deeper into WW2. Adding to all that, many ships filled with jews escaping the areas under Nazi control were not allowed to land in many countries including the U.S.

Yet, the main reason for the amplification of the Holocaust was to divert attention from the massacres that were happening in Palestine against the Palestinian people and the to hide the fact that a few million people were forced out their lands and homes and schools and temples and were being robbed of their dignity and human rights, to be replaced by another population. The Holocaust was used as a diversion, to blindfold the eyes of the world community, in blurring the scale of the massacres and violations commited in Palestine by amplifying the significance of the Holocaust and make them focus mainly on the massacres that happened to the Jews and how they need to be recompensated.

It was used and there is no doubt in that but the matter of fact is everyone in their position would be dump if they doesn't use it. I can draw hundreds of examples from Lebanon alone of blood used for political reasons, we are not really platonic at all so don't be over-grossed by that. Jews have been killed systematically in Europe for religious reasons for hundreds of years, no conference in Iran or elsewhere can deny that. If AhmadiNajad and a few conspiracy theorists want to waste their time and money to know if there were gas chambers or that was exaggerated or "amplified", let them do so. Whether it was 600,000 or 6,000,000, again I don't care, it is the same concept with the same results.

Another reason for the abuse of the Holocaust was to validate the reason of enacting a strong Jewish nation in order to repell futur assaults on it. Of course the real reason for fortifying zionist Israel was to keep the middle-eastern countries weak; by years and years of conflict and war. Because the Ottoman Empire reached Vienna at some point in time, Islamic unity still caused fear in the mind of western leaders, fear of an Islamic/Arabic ressurgence.

First as a general advise, don't talk with a sense of pride about the Ottoman Empire for I can see no bigger reason why our area is like this today than their centuries long occupation. Naturally I see no reason where there should be such a thing as "Islamic unity" which undermines the huge differences between the natures and attitudes of people within the so-called Islamic Nations.
As for Israel, of course you won't establish a state and that is by its very definition unlikely to be welcomed in the region without strengthening it to at least be able to compete with its neighbors. Why are u so surprised ?

Originally Posted by FriendOfZeus

No one is advocating murder, but when such a tragedy is manipulated and used to cause more devastation; then it must be countered, for it had been transformed into something so vile that it sends no other message than that of greed, vengeance, "justified" mass murder and forced deportation.

I agree here...bas thats how it is and how it will always be for everyone. People use everything for any kinda gain.


Well written, and keep it up

[IBIN BATTOUTA]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

the Jews are a bunch of liars and evils...

man,
sorry for the delay,
but....
you sound like hitler...
take it easy.

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by IBIN BATTOUTA

man,
sorry for the delay,
but....
you sound like hitler...
take it easy.

man,
sorry if i hurt your feelings,
but the Text used the words JEWS and JEWISH... so i can't use the word Zionists.
anyway Hitler wasn't so bad after all concerning his Patriotism and his love toward his country.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

man,
sorry if i hurt your feelings,
but the Text used the words JEWS and JEWISH... so i can't use the word Zionists.
anyway Hitler wasn't so bad after all concerning his Patriotism and his love toward his country.

Yeah Join him to the long list of "patriots" who love their countries :

- Harry Truman : US president who dropped the atomic bomb on Japan and burned thousands of people...out of his "love towards his country."

- Joseph Stalin : Leader of the USSR whose "love towards his country" and his belief that what he was doing was for its best led to massacres and imprisonments of thousands

- Saddam Hussein: Another "patriot", who fought a lot of wars for his country but was more interested in internal threats to his,asde his country's , security. Again because of his "love towards his country"

- George W. Bush : His "love towards his country" led him to take his army to another end of the world, and lead a war which left more than 700,000 dead so far

- Hafez l'Asad : His "love towards his country" led him to destroy whole cities when a syrian revolution was about to erupt. His "patriotism" led him to support Saddam's regime and occupy a small country and abuse its resources for years

......and the list goes on...a list full of great patriots who lack only two things to make them human, a mind and the basic amount of humane feelings

[MARX ®]

ZIONISTS ARE NOTHING BUT a party that does not know god and all they want is rule the world

and that holocaust is a total lie

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by MARX 92 ®

ZIONISTS ARE NOTHING BUT a party that does not know god and all they want is rule the world

and that holocaust is a total lie

Zionists are not a party they are a movement I bet my two kidneys that u don't know what Zionism is the very point that you said "that does not know god" shows how much u know about them go to wikipedia and read about Zionism before hating it solely because SHN does you will hate it anyway when u read about it, but at least you will know what you are hating

Whether the holocaust is true or not, whether there were concentration camps or not, whether there were gas chambers or not, jews have been hunted down in Europe for centuries and systemically up to hitler's emergence and no historian says otherwise...

Peace

[xcoder]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

the Jews are a bunch of liars and evils...

Pure racism and blindness.
Jews are just everyone else, keep away systems from religions.
no doubt why Lebanese Jews left the country for good with such mentality.