Olmert promises lebanon if lebanon turns into a hezbollah state

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

Systa...Like xcoder, I smiled when I read ur thread

No they are not foreign ppl, they are like all humans and all Lebanese, ppl with power and money and who are abusing both.

The incident is 100% true with all its details and if I could I would tell u more incidents that happened in my village and one that is nearby where I have some friends. As I said, I can't mention more info, but ur word "they all absolute right to do so" is enough for me to see why no one stops them to where there limits should be.

Your rights stop where the rights off others start. If playing cards hurts the eyes of their militants around the specified place, or if weddings (another example I wish I could give all the details around) annoy them, it is their eyes and ears that are the problem. Both were happening on private property and in reasonable times during the day. Nobody expresses rage over their announcements or festivals. Personally I live in Da7yeh and all their audio propaganda all day pisses me off, but I understand that I can't act within the limits of law to stop them, all I can say is "allah la yseme7on" and "allah 3al zalem"

i said that they have the absolute right to do so , cuz no one is allowed to curse and swear infront of ur house!! would u let anyone do so! , but the ha members here wont get in problems that they dont need, thats why i find ur " stories " very hard to believe , cz i live in an ha area , and 100% theres no difference between here and beirut or jezzine etc.. i have my complete freedom , i go around in the car listenin to death metal at the highest sound, i even pass exactly rite next to " mogamma3 l 7izib " listenin to death metal , still they dont say a thing , i play cards , do crazy stuff with the car , still nothing , now about what ur saying , theyr probably only and ONLY members own actions , theres no party in this world that is 100% perfect, maybe some guy will be an "az3ar" like i know a one in ha , but they keep him under control , and hes given a task of doing some small stuff , hell , he even changed alot since he joined ha , he became much much less " az3ar " and stoped drinking ...

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

HA can't see this logic...here is how they see it....

Moghneyye was killed and sheb3a is still occupied....

1- Moghneyye was one of their leading figures ==> They choose the time,place and method of response regardless of what might follow. They believe it is their right to respond, no matter what follows, they won't feel any guilt because for the revenge of their leading member, the Lebanese ppl should be willing to endure.

2- Sheb3a is still occupied which gives them the right to use all available methods to liberate it (HERE WE AGREE except for "all methods"). They however hold the timing of carrying any of the methods solely within their hands, and again we have to endure their choice of method or timing especially if those turned out tactically wrong like in the last war.

once again u revolve facts , should we get hit and turn the other cheak? lal nangar lel fitna ma3 israel

[Gilgamesh]

When did I say something like "I totally agree with what Israel did because HA kidnapped their soldiers?" :s :s

You want to put words in my mouth now? All what I am saying is you have been failing recently to choose the right methods and the right timing. If HA couldn't see back in July 2006 that the Lebanese political atmosphere and the international one was perfect for abig hit by Israel and chose to carry on the kidnapping at that time, it is their shortsightedness. I said I am with the right to resist, I am just not with the way they are doing it and not with the way they consider themselves above the law and above our logic. I am against the way they think without them Lebanon would be going down the drains, I am against their arrogance and continued refusal to apologize for their role in the civil war. I am against the arrogance that drives them to defend the Declaration of Initiation of Hizbullah in which they mention the chirstians and Sunnis of Lebanon more than they mention Israel and mention Islam more than patriotism. I am against their arrogance and abuse of power that leads them to impose their religious ideas on all shiites and possibly others in the near future. I am against the arrogance of their followers who within each other think they could have survived without the MoU. I am against their arrogance that leads them to think that they have enough power and resources to liberate Palestine, and worse still that they have the right to take such decision. I am against the same arrogance that leads them to total hypocrite electoral alliances where they go meet Berri before the Parliament elections and start their propaganda against him before the Municipial Elections. I am against their hypocrisy that justifies for them they way they cornered by the use of power 14 marchers into Daw7a deal and doesn't justify for 14 marchers taking advantages of international laws.

See them as angels, I won't say I see them as devils, they played a role and still have to play it, if they are really patriots. But the day will come where everyone will be complaining of the unparalleled power and unrestricted self-given privileges these ppl have,...

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

i said that they have the absolute right to do so , cuz no one is allowed to curse and swear infront of ur house!! would u let anyone do so! , but the ha members here wont get in problems that they dont need, thats why i find ur " stories " very hard to believe , cz i live in an ha area , and 100% theres no difference between here and beirut or jezzine etc.. i have my complete freedom , i go around in the car listenin to death metal at the highest sound, i even pass exactly rite next to " mogamma3 l 7izib " listenin to death metal , still they dont say a thing , i play cards , do crazy stuff with the car , still nothing , now about what ur saying , theyr probably only and ONLY members own actions , theres no party in this world that is 100% perfect, maybe some guy will be an "az3ar" like i know a one in ha , but they keep him under control , and hes given a task of doing some small stuff , hell , he even changed alot since he joined ha , he became much much less " az3ar " and stoped drinking ...

I appreciate you telling me about your personal experience with them, you were luckier than I was....so far

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

once again u revolve facts , should we get hit and turn the other cheak? lal nangar lel fitna ma3 israel

I answered KoK

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

When did I say something like "I totally agree with what Israel did because HA kidnapped their soldiers?" :s :s

You want to put words in my mouth now? All what I am saying is you have been failing recently to choose the right methods and the right timing. If HA couldn't see back in July 2006 that the Lebanese political atmosphere and the international one was perfect for abig hit by Israel and chose to carry on the kidnapping at that time, it is their shortsightedness. I said I am with the right to resist, I am just not with the way they are doing it and not with the way they consider themselves above the law and above our logic. I am against the way they think without them Lebanon would be going down the drains, I am against their arrogance and continued refusal to apologize for their role in the civil war. I am against the arrogance that drives them to defend the Declaration of Initiation of Hizbullah in which they mention the chirstians and Sunnis of Lebanon more than they mention Israel and mention Islam more than patriotism. I am against their arrogance and abuse of power that leads them to impose their religious ideas on all shiites and possibly others in the near future. I am against the arrogance of their followers who within each other think they could have survived without the MoU. I am against their arrogance that leads them to think that they have enough power and resources to liberate Palestine, and worse still that they have the right to take such decision. I am against the same arrogance that leads them to total hypocrite electoral alliances where they go meet Berri before the Parliament elections and start their propaganda against him before the Municipial Elections. I am against their hypocrisy that justifies for them they way they cornered by the use of power 14 marchers into Daw7a deal and doesn't justify for 14 marchers taking advantages of international laws.

See them as angels, I won't say I see them as devils, they played a role and still have to play it, if they are really patriots. But the day will come where everyone will be complaining of the unparalleled power and unrestricted self-given privileges these ppl have,...

Iam against u attacking ha all the time , their actions are a response of international and national policies , they have the total right to do wat they are doing . survival at its best.

continued refusal to apologize for their role in the civil war

wtf

I am against the arrogance of their followers who within each other think they could have survived without the MoU

wtf-2 , are you serious?

I am against the same arrogance that leads them to total hypocrite electoral alliances where they go meet Berri before the Parliament elections and start their propaganda against him before the Municipial Elections.

wtf-3 , before the 2005 elections ha and amal werent allied like this , and they attacked each other at the elections , but after , they allied to amal till now , now lets c if ur prophecy will turn to be true in the 09 elections

I am against their hypocrisy that justifies for them they way they cornered by the use of power 14 marchers into Daw7a deal

wtf-4.daw7a deal got peace back to lebanon , and got 1000000 tourist into lebanon , and mostly made it easier for every mother to let her son go out without having to worry about . so if the use of power did this , then hell yeh , they should do it everytime the 14 gang appears to kill this country

I am against their arrogance that leads them to think that they have enough power and resources to liberate Palestine, and worse still that they have the right to take such decision.

Not arrogance , but belief and faith , and they do have the right.

I am against the arrogance that drives them to defend the Declaration of Initiation of Hizbullah in which they mention the chirstians and Sunnis of Lebanon more than they mention Israel and mention Islam more than patriotism.

wat is that?

If HA couldn't see back in July 2006 that the Lebanese political atmosphere and the international one was perfect for abig hit by Israel and chose to carry on the kidnapping at that time, it is their shortsightedness.

lol , when is it the best time?? when samir quntar turns 50 in the jail?? its our right and we dont give a F*** about the atmo.

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by ZeRaW

From what I read, this means, IF HA attacks Israel then Isreal will attack lebanon which is logical. I mean IF HA starts a war then of course Isreal will start one. So i do not see where is the point of debate?

7abibeh, the Israeli logic is: " we never attack anyone, we defend ourselves "
and of course the palestinians attacked the holy Israel so that's why Israel occupied palestine
Israel doesn't need excuses, they start a war and accuse others of starting it.
I don't see any reason that push a resistance to launch a war !!! the resistance only defends the land.
Hezbollah as a resistance has the complete right in launching military operations against the occupation in the lebanese occupied lands and they doesn't need the permission of Israel or anyone else
when Israel end its occupation they will have then the right in talking this way, untill then... let them go to hell

[majousseh]

Originally Posted by deAtheganized

HA can't see this logic...here is how they see it....

They however hold the timing of carrying any of the methods solely within their hands, and again we have to endure their choice of method or timing especially if those turned out tactically wrong like in the last war.

خطأ تكتيكي؟ تكتيكي؟
يعني نصف مصيبه إذا ناقشنا إذا كانت عملية الوعد الصادق خطأ إستراتيجي....بس خطأ تكتيكي؟
طيب، بما أن رؤيتك الإستراتيجية معروفة، سأعتبر أنك أخطأت تكتيكياً في التعبير . ولا أريد أن أناقشك برأيك بحزب الله، فأنت حر وأنا لست مؤهلاً لذلك. بس ما لا استطيع "هضمه" هو استمراركم بالكلام ، أنتم أي جماعة المجتمع الدولي الديمقراطي الممثل بالسعودية، عن مظلومية الشعب اللبناني من قبل كل قوى الممانعة لمشروع الشرق الأوسط الكبير، وكأن هذه القوى، أتت من كوكب آخر. طيب خلونا نروح على الإنتخابات وبدون تعبئة طائفية. وإذا ربحتو ، فمبروك عليكم الديمقراطيه والتقدمية والمستقبل السعودي. ومن هلأ لوقتها ، طلعولنا من ديوان الشعب اللبناني المقموع من قبل حزب الله .

[Mohamed]

LOL I am Mohammad , I am serious , and I put smiley faces in my serious sentences

Weird walla.

1- You don't know enough about me to know if an armed shiite militia needs me or not.

I really dont care walla..but if u want we can meet since I also live in da7yee..ma 3am bemza7 2aymta ma badak beje la 3endak 3al manta2a w min 2argel kamen 2iza bit7eb .

2- I doubt you are an official spokesmen representing the group being discussed.

Hayda shi byerja3 2ele sho bkoun la hal jame3a.

3- You said all Lebanese citizens, so regardless of the two points mentioned above, I broke your assumption. Now if you are like 14 marchers and define the world "Lebanese" the way that fits your electoral agenda, thats a different story in which I have no business answering you.

I said that but what I meant with ''all lebanese citizens'' ya3ne the ones who r ready for that,every lebanese who is ready to defend is a lebanese and it doesnt mean that the others r not...ba3deina the real 14 march ppl r fpm..

Thank you, Mohamed " "

Ur wlc ali.

ok balash Athegan y5abes

sar ra7 y5alles to5bis

They are not, they are maronite mostly

Why should we always make a problem on the name ?...Whenever there is saraya libnaniye so no need to make a problem..and we have another solution..look what is behind the name of hezbollah ya3ne such their achievements...bayne w baynak w bayne w bein kel forum...2esim hezbollah w tasmiyiton bi rijel allah w 2imenon bi allah w bil watan hayda li bi 5alliyoun yontosro.

Today I am in da7yeh. Every 10 meters you see an "endebat" person who, God knows what qualifies him, is trying to put people "into order". He, never a she , stands there excercising his self-imposing unquestioned authority on people who never expressed in any manner their will to adhere to that authority.

Do u mean the 2endibat of the traffic or the other 2endibat ?..since most of them r 2endibat.

The place is in the south, in eklim l teffe7, thats the closest I am taking ur hand.

Mmmmmmmmm there is laytani,wazzani,fi kamen nabe3 dardara li bi li khiam,ba7sasa near 7asbaya..hawe li bi rasi hala2..anyway as majousseh said we can go there all together and let it be a forum trip to that river.

"allah la yseme7on" and "allah 3al zalem"

2akid hayda shi tabi3e .

All what I am saying is you have been failing recently to choose the right methods and the right timing.

7amdilla it was the right time cuz israel wanted to surprise us so we surprised israel ..sho badak 2a7la min hek..man israel wanted to blow up lebanon on qods day..ya3ne where over 5000 citizens were,principals,hezbollah guerillas and sayed nasrallah..then it would be the biggest massacre in history...do u think if israel won the war u would be like u r now..I'm sure u would be a da3set beb lal zionists or helping fatfat in serving tea to them or u would be dead.

Now abt the kidnapping,kamen 7amdilla they kidnapped those 2 IDF's because nobody knows maybe those vehicle watchers would not pass again on that road like they did on 12 July 2006.

But the day will come where everyone will be complaining of the unparalleled power and unrestricted self-given privileges these ppl have,...

Layko ya 2ahel allah li deyer min nabe3 la nabe3 3am bi ******* 3am yew3iidna with his imagination day..w li bi sammo lwa3d sade2 kazzeb ma hek rayyes...from now up on labbayka ya deatheganized w fida 2ejro deatheganized..2ou3a tsadde2 7alak 3ammo...

At the end I'm asking u to take us to that river w la 3younak 7mol a bottle of alcohol w tsammama w l3ab wara2 sma3 2aghani w li badak ye w ne7na ma3ak w li byetalla3 feek badna nshello 3youno (with all due respect to everyone who drinks from the members).

Salamo 3alaykoum W ra7met allah w barakatoh

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Iam against u attacking ha all the time , their actions are a response of international and national policies , they have the total right to do wat they are doing . survival at its best.

Hmmm....I dunno what part this answers, but things are getting messed up and lost in translation, survival of them as a group or of the country they originate from? Maybe it is survival of the muslim nation? Help me out here

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

wtf

Why so surprised?

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

wtf-2 , are you serious?

Matter of fact, I am

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

wtf-3 , before the 2005 elections ha and amal werent allied like this , and they attacked each other at the elections , but after , they allied to amal till now , now lets c if ur prophecy will turn to be true in the 09 elections

I am talking about the days before Hariri, I know now they won't take any risks (duhh) ayya prophecy? See if your memory stretches back only to 14 February 2005 I can talk to you about days before that systa

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

wtf-4.daw7a deal got peace back to lebanon , and got 1000000 tourist into lebanon , and mostly made it easier for every mother to let her son go out without having to worry about . so if the use of power did this , then hell yeh , they should do it everytime the 14 gang appears to kill this country

Then the use of power by Syria was a positive thing, it was the main reason behind Ta2ef agreemant...Why don't you tell that to General Aoun next time you go sit with him on the same table? lets see what he thinks about that? You are becoming like Israelites now with the philosophy of "The end justifies the means"

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

Not arrogance , but belief and faith , and they do have the right.

Not to take decisions upon such faith and belief...where is the "wtf" here? Oh right, this is one of the point even the most arrogant HA member might find actually hard to discuss with his Aouinst ally....

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

wat is that?

Methak ta2sees 7ezballah, never read it?

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

lol , when is it the best time?? when samir quntar turns 50 in the jail?? its our right and we dont give a F*** about the atmo.

U don't give a **** about a lot of things...and then I see a sign in Ber l'3abed that says Jihad l Bina2 rebuilt 890 buildings....I hope that removes any feeling of guilt in the top of the pyramid in the HA heirarchy

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by majousseh

خطأ تكتيكي؟ تكتيكي؟
يعني نصف مصيبه إذا ناقشنا إذا كانت عملية الوعد الصادق خطأ إستراتيجي....بس خطأ تكتيكي؟
طيب، بما أن رؤيتك الإستراتيجية معروفة، سأعتبر أنك أخطأت تكتيكياً في التعبير . ولا أريد أن أناقشك برأيك بحزب الله، فأنت حر وأنا لست مؤهلاً لذلك. بس ما لا استطيع "هضمه" هو استمراركم بالكلام ، أنتم أي جماعة المجتمع الدولي الديمقراطي الممثل بالسعودية، عن مظلومية الشعب اللبناني من قبل كل قوى الممانعة لمشروع الشرق الأوسط الكبير، وكأن هذه القوى، أتت من كوكب آخر. طيب خلونا نروح على الإنتخابات وبدون تعبئة طائفية. وإذا ربحتو ، فمبروك عليكم الديمقراطيه والتقدمية والمستقبل السعودي. ومن هلأ لوقتها ، طلعولنا من ديوان الشعب اللبناني المقموع من قبل حزب الله .

What you said after the fact that YOU KNOW my strategic plans or whatever shows that you don't know me and haven't been reading my posts. I am opposed to Saudi Arabia more than you can imagine I am. You stereotyped when you found nothing else to do.
As for the elections, although it has been your desire for years to face 7araket Amal you have been afraid to do it. You preferred the ma7dale in the south, you preferred Hariri's list in Beirut and shied off from facing him for 3ido's seat after the latter's death and don't get me started on B3abda 3alay. NOW, you come to talk abou ttejyeesh ta2efe, lol. If anyone is doing this it is you and Tayyar l Mosta2bal, 3lek 7alel tho

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Weird walla.

3ish ktir betshoof ktir, ma weird ella l shitan...

Originally Posted by Mohamed

I really dont care walla..but if u want we can meet since I also live in da7yee..ma 3am bemza7 2aymta ma badak beje la 3endak 3al manta2a w min 2argel kamen 2iza bit7eb .

No ma b7eb, thanks for the offer...

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Hayda shi byerja3 2ele sho bkoun la hal jame3a.

And I have the same right to assess you based on your answers, and assess your connection with them.

Originally Posted by Mohamed

I said that but what I meant with ''all lebanese citizens'' ya3ne the ones who r ready for that,every lebanese who is ready to defend is a lebanese and it doesnt mean that the others r not...ba3deina the real 14 march ppl r fpm..

You should have specified men l ases ya Mohamed ma kenet l2eet shi red 3le law u did

Originally Posted by Mohamed

sar ra7 y5alles to5bis

As long as no one has decided to shut me up like others where silenced, I am here "la khabbes"

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Why should we always make a problem on the name ?...Whenever there is saraya libnaniye so no need to make a problem..and we have another solution..look what is behind the name of hezbollah ya3ne such their achievements...bayne w baynak w bayne w bein kel forum...2esim hezbollah w tasmiyiton bi rijel allah w 2imenon bi allah w bil watan hayda li bi 5alliyoun yontosro.

Ayya watan? 7odood HA 7dood l omme l eslmeyye mesh 7dood l watan...Hay mesh kalemete, these are the words of Sayyed Abbas l Mosawe....Go and ask about this and similar quotes. There is no need to however, you have strived to liberate every muslim prisoner in Israeli prisons. Sayyed Nasrallah has discussed every conflict in the Muslim world as if it meant to him directly....Now u might start to see, the ideology behind the name

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Do u mean the 2endibat of the traffic or the other 2endibat ?..since most of them r 2endibat.

There are many things they are supposed to do, not only the traffic. Point is, they are appointed by a person , like u and me, to put into order ppl like you and me, when they are only ppl like you and me. Not chosen by us, not employed by us, only imposed on us. Makes me feel occupied, even if they have a positive effect (which i doubt on the long run, sooner or later this shouldnt be in their hands)

Originally Posted by Mohamed

Mmmmmmmmm there is laytani,wazzani,fi kamen nabe3 dardara li bi li khiam,ba7sasa near 7asbaya..hawe li bi rasi hala2..anyway as majousseh said we can go there all together and let it be a forum trip to that river.

Go to all those places, and more I am sure it will happen in more than one place

Originally Posted by Mohamed

2akid hayda shi tabi3e .



7amdilla it was the right time cuz israel wanted to surprise us so we surprised israel ..sho badak 2a7la min hek..man israel wanted to blow up lebanon on qods day..ya3ne where over 5000 citizens were,principals,hezbollah guerillas and sayed nasrallah..then it would be the biggest massacre in history...do u think if israel won the war u would be like u r now..I'm sure u would be a da3set beb lal zionists or helping fatfat in serving tea to them or u would be dead.

Now abt the kidnapping,kamen 7amdilla they kidnapped those 2 IDF's because nobody knows maybe those vehicle watchers would not pass again on that road like they did on 12 July 2006.



Layko ya 2ahel allah li deyer min nabe3 la nabe3 3am bi ******* 3am yew3iidna with his imagination day..w li bi sammo lwa3d sade2 kazzeb ma hek rayyes...from now up on labbayka ya deatheganized w fida 2ejro deatheganized..2ou3a tsadde2 7alak 3ammo...

At the end I'm asking u to take us to that river w la 3younak 7mol a bottle of alcohol w tsammama w l3ab wara2 sma3 2aghani w li badak ye w ne7na ma3ak w li byetalla3 feek badna nshello 3youno (with all due respect to everyone who drinks from the members).

Salamo 3alaykoum W ra7met allah w barakatoh

I will reply to all that MOhamed, don't reply to the first part till I do that but I have to go now