Breathtaking pictures from Iraq!

[Justin]

Sogelic, kain, systa and others, do you really wanna know somethin?? even though the americans, the israelies and others are raising hell everywhere by killing, stealing, destroying, etc... I say their ppl appreaciate them becuz they are serving their country, 3am bi dabho kaza malyon wahad kermel maslohet wahad!! not like here in lebanon, kel wahad bi bi3 el tene kermel BALAD TENE... (IN GENERAL)

[Sogelec]

Originally Posted by Justin

Sogelic, kain, systa and others, do you really wanna know somethin?? even though the americans, the israelies and others are raising hell everywhere by killing, stealing, destroying, etc... I say their ppl appreaciate them becuz they are serving their country, 3am bi dabho kaza malyon wahad kermel maslohet wahad!! not like here in lebanon, kel wahad bi bi3 el tene kermel BALAD TENE... (IN GENERAL)

Yeah man, mazboot hal 7aki
but you said it; THEIR ppl appreciate them, and the killing is done to Us
Vice Versa, we appreciate the ones who kill the ones who kill us...
and OF COURSE we can't appreciate the killer, and wish he a safe trip..sa7?
w ana ma3ak, I WISH Lebanese aw Arabs in General fight and kill kermal masla7eton...msh kermal masla7et l gheyr...w im sure this will stay A WISH!

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Sogelec

Yeah man, mazboot hal 7aki
but you said it; THEIR ppl appreciate them, and the killing is done to Us
Vice Versa, we appreciate the ones who kill the ones who kill us...
and OF COURSE we can't appreciate the killer, and wish he a safe trip..sa7?

TRUE... nahna el da7iye

Originally Posted by Sogelec

w ana ma3ak, I WISH Lebanese aw Arabs in General fight and kill kermal masla7eton...msh kermal masla7et l gheyr...w im sure this will stay A WISH!

but as much as u appreciate ur country doing this to serve itself! as much they will hate us and wish us death...

its all about the game and how u play it

[Kain]

Justin
Serving the right or wrong country isn't the issue here.
The issue is serving that country in a cause that you oppose.

Those pictures either show soldiers crying for their fallen comrades...no discussion about that...
Or pictures of a Soldier crying for a dead civilian child, or soldiers giving presents to iraqi children.

1- Enno we're supposed to be touched by a soldier holding that child and crying when:
- These are the same soldiers who killed that child and others like him.
- If that soldier did not kill that child then the issue is that he's fighting for a cause that he no longer believes in...which is another issue being raised.

2- We killed your parents..but how about some new shoes??
We killed her relatives but hey i'm gonna make amends by helping her cross over that puddle of water

Those are the issues being raised.

[Tawa]

Originally Posted by Kain

That doesn't make them any less guilty.
Sure other soldiers have gone as far as to commit atrocities.
But still they're fighting for the enemy.
hay 1

I Never Said That This Makes Them Less Guilty.
You Guys Are Missing The God Damn Point Of The Whole Subject.

Originally Posted by Kain

2- Nobody forced them to fight for a cause they don't believe in and do stuff that they don't want to do.
Don't give me that "it's an army" excuse they were the ones who joined the army in the first place.
They put themselves in that situation.
They should Deal with it

So Let's See, If Israel Invades The South, Or Maybe Beirut, And The Army Is Called To Defend Beirut, And Some Soldiers Believe They Should Do it. Do They Have The Right To Run And Not Serve Their Country?
Don't Tell Me This Is A Different Issue Here, It's The Same Thing, Just Different Titles And Strategies.
I'll Give You Another Example, If There Was A War Between Arabs And Israel, And The Arabs Were Invading Israel, Are Soldiers From The Arab Armies Allowed To Choose Not To Fight Because They Believe They're Doing The Wrong Thing?
This Was Even A Closer Example.

Now Don't Tell Me That We Don't Need Such Soldiers And Don't Give Me Such Shitty Replies.


Come On, Seriously.

Originally Posted by Kain

Those pictures either show soldiers crying for their fallen comrades...no discussion about that...
Or pictures of a Soldier crying for a dead civilian child, or soldiers giving presents to iraqi children.

1- Enno we're supposed to be touched by a soldier holding that child and crying when:
- These are the same soldiers who killed that child and others like him.
- If that soldier did not kill that child then the issue is that he's fighting for a cause that he no longer believes in...which is another issue being raised.

2- We killed your parents..but how about some new shoes??
We killed her relatives but hey i'm gonna make amends by helping her cross over that puddle of water

Again, They Are Forced To Do It
A Soldier That Have Been Put In A Place Where People Are Attacking Him Can't Just "Turn The Other Cheek"

Don't Come To Me And Tell Me That Those People Shot Were Defending Their Country, Cause I Know They Are, And Those Soldiers Are Defending Themselves Because Of Politician Decisions.


We Didn't Say That Those People In The Photos Represents All The Army.
We Only Said That Some Soldiers Are Good People. And No, We're Not Supposed To Be Good With Them. It Was Just To Show That Some Of Them Are Still Humans Like You And Me.
Or Maybe Like Me Only Not You (Kidding)

[Malek]

From these pics we can know how :

Bye2etlo l 2atil w byemsho bi gnezto

[3arabi]

Originally Posted by Tawa

What The Hell Are You Talking About Man?

A Soldier In The Army Is Obliged To Do What His Army General Orders Him To Do, And No They Weren't Given The Choice Not To Go To Iraq.

Some Of The Soldiers Ran Away To Canada Just Not To Go To Iraq, If You Don't Believe Me, Just Search And Read.
But Thousands Of Soldiers Can't All Just Run Away To Canada And Mexico From Going To War. It's Not That Easy You Know.
Now Rja3 Ta3a 2enta wSystamatics 2ooloule You're Not Blinded By Hatery.
People Like You Cannot Speak From An Objective Perspective.

tawa as u like but i will say if some one do something that he didn t want to do he will be shamed and he will not take photos 3am yed7ak fiha. thats all can u c in the photos from qauntanamo and abou ghraib.
by the way my neighbor he joined the us army just bcz he want some more money and the us pass, u can search and see if u want some photos from my neighbor i will send it to u.

[Google]

In my perspective:

1- Enemies who kill our people should die like animals!

2- We are all humans!

3- Soldiers are obliged and supposed to follow orders and serve there country no matter what! (according to the Bible and the Quran)

4- In the pictures, I see soldiers not in the battle field. These soldiers can be good or bad like any person in the society (The soldiers in the picture seems to be good)

5- In the battle, I don't care whether a soldier is good or bad, I'll be glad to kill him as soon a get the chance!

[Kain]

Originally Posted by Tawa

I Never Said That This Makes Them Less Guilty.
You Guys Are Missing The God Damn Point Of The Whole Subject.
So Let's See, If Israel Invades The South, Or Maybe Beirut, And The Army Is Called To Defend Beirut, And Some Soldiers Believe They Should Do it. Do They Have The Right To Run And Not Serve Their Country?
Don't Tell Me This Is A Different Issue Here, It's The Same Thing, Just Different Titles And Strategies.
I'll Give You Another Example, If There Was A War Between Arabs And Israel, And The Arabs Were Invading Israel, Are Soldiers From The Arab Armies Allowed To Choose Not To Fight Because They Believe They're Doing The Wrong Thing?
This Was Even A Closer Example.

But the difference here is that you are in a defensive position.
Israel is the invader, and you're defending your own country.
And the Arabs would be defending theirs too.


If you run away because you don't want to defend your country then that's treason
Don't tell me these soldiers think they're defending they're country.
There's not a man in the world who can't tell what the U.S.A is really doing in Irak, even if sometimes certain people turn a blind eye to it.

Originally Posted by Tawa

Now Don't Tell Me That We Don't Need Such Soldiers And Don't Give Me Such Shitty Replies.

Well if you're in a defensive position..Then yes we don't need such soldiers
Metel 2elleton

Originally Posted by Tawa

Again, They Are Forced To Do It
A Soldier That Have Been Put In A Place Where People Are Attacking Him Can't Just "Turn The Other Cheek"

True but that soldier was the Attacker in the first place...

Originally Posted by Tawa

We Didn't Say That Those People In The Photos Represents All The Army.

True

Originally Posted by Tawa

We Only Said That Some Soldiers Are Good People.

Originally Posted by Tawa

And No, We're Not Supposed To Be Good With Them. It Was Just To Show That Some Of Them Are Still Humans Like You And Me.

Good is relative
Again they're the attackers...
You're right by saying we shouldn't be good with them..
w eh they're humans
With emotions
But they put themselves in that situation
Meshkelton

[Malek]

Originally Posted by Edgard Chammas

5- In the battle, I don't care whether a soldier is good or bad, I'll be glad to kill him as soon a get the chance!

That's it.
I totally agree.