Sami Gemayel is he Going to Succeed?

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by Kataeb

you r totally riyt, but this is lebanon and it has nothing to do with the fact that he is a gd politician! some are from gr8 political families yet they aren't that gd! but he is gd....how many times do u c a guy disagreeing with his dad! he was against wat his dad said abt armenians on the elections 2 years ago! he expressed this point of view on OTV!

It's not about being against his dad, his political thoughts and principles are totally against my and many other people principles, calling for federalism and extreme sectarian speeches are not that healthy for Lebanon. they are the main virus killing the Lebanese nation.

i found out from the recent threats which he got!

Every Lebanese citizen is under a continuous threat and danger, politicians are even more protected.

if u cant c and admit wat he is doing, then u should watch some news soon:P he is trying 2 reunite christians... he is opening closed doors that have been so long closed! who would have imagined jmayel would meet franjiyeh and wi2am visits and ja3ja3 soon meeting franjiyeh! still dont believe he is doing?

So Sami Gemayel convinced Franjiyyeh in meeting his father? but it's not that Gemayel is trying to rebuild his relations with Syria through Franjiyyeh and Wahhab??
Well, a Gemayel's visit to Syria soon will show you what's the aim behind Sami's meetings, it's only about rebuilding their relations with Syria

Oh and concerning Geagea-Franjiyyeh meeting, is it a Gemayel's achievement also?? let's wait and see.

sheep:P?! man look at the different point of views available if u c us as sheep then good!

Yes sheep!
You have been attacking Wahhab for many years and you kept accusing him of being a Syrian puppet, now when he met Gemayel he became a patriotic Lebanese leader, same as for Franjiyyeh.
So a meeting between your leader and any "puppet" or "Syrian guy" is enough to change your view about him, can't we describe it as "being sheep"??

[Kataeb]

meghwar man, so it is wrong to be against someone and then b frnds? does that ring a big bell, look at ur election book of 2005 and 2009 dont u c a slight difference, you were attacking syria and looks like some ppl paid a visit 2 them a couple of months, does the statement " waje7 l madefi3 3a demashek" give a nudge or smthgn? if there is someone that should accuse us of wanting 2 be frnds with ppl we were 'politically' against it is not u or ur stand point! and this is not the point riyt now, we're way off! back to samy he has a goal which he set and i think he is taking the initiatives to back up his word and get 2 some place! all have failed,yet im in with the slightess hope that comes from the horizon! and that is enough 4 me, coz as i said it takes real guts to attack ur dad on tv in the open, and that proves that nothing will stand in his waying of saying the truth, that is not even close, wasn't he there with all of us guys wa2ta l muzaharat bel 90s? i would b with anyone that would do that regardless!

[SysTaMatIcS]

You didnt reply to the fact , that wasnt for the ssnp candidate , sami wouldnt have succeeded.

[majousseh]

أنا مع زميلنا الجديد كتائب في إبقاء هذا النقاش عن سامي الجميل ، وأحييه على اسلوبه الهادئ
أريد أن أورد بإختصار عدد من الملاحظات

أولاً: ماذا أعرف عن سامي الجميل...شخص يحول تقليد عمه، بالخطابات والأسلوب لا أكثر ولا أقل. مع فارق أن عمه كان يخيف بعض الناس في زمان غير هذا الزمن، أما الآن فتقليد العم أجد فيه هزلية وليس إخافة

ثانياً: تمرد سامي على أبيه نعم، امعاناً منه في تقليد العم. فقام بإنشاء مجموعة "لبناننا" ، ورائحة العنصرية والإنفصالية لا تزال تفوح من موقعه على الإنترنت. لكن سامي تمرد على أسلوب العائلة وليس النهج. وقد عاد إلى جذور حزب الكتائب حين أجرى مقابلة مع احد المواقع التابعة لليمين المتطرف(1) في فرنسا مادحاً عنصريتهم بالقول أنها مثال يحتذى. ولغير العالمين فحزب الكتائب انشئ تمثلاً بشبيبة الأحزاب الفاشية والنازية في أوروبا-2

ثالثاً: إنجاز هذا الشاب وعبقريته تجلت حين قام بإختلاق مواجهة بطولية دفاعاً عن الأشرفية ضد هجمة مزعومة من الضاحية. وظهر حينها متألماً بين احضان والده على الشاشات ، إلى أن جاء تكذيب هذه الواقعة من حليف الكتائب ( والأحزاب الوهابية ) فتفت القبضاي

لذا نعرف سامي الجميل جداً، ولا ضرورة لإختلاق المزيد من البطولات بإسمه. لكن أحزن على جيل يبدو للأسف أني لم أعرفه. حين يرى التاريخ المؤلم وما جلبته
الطائفية، ويقرر إعادة كتابة هذا التاريخ، بنفس الشخصيات، وإن كانت أكثر هزلية

1-LA RENCONTRE DU MOIS : Samy Gemayel répond aux Identitaires. (link)
2-Wikipedia: The Kataeb party was founded by Sheikh Pierre Gemayel in 1936, who modeled the party after Spanish and Italian Fascist parties he had observed in Nazi Germany during the 1936 Summer Olympics, held inBerlin. The movement's uniforms originally included brown shirts and members used the Hitler salute

[Kataeb]

thank you majjouseh actually im an old member but never had the time to sit and respond to topics, but this one is concerning smthng which i believe so i couldnt stay asside. anw i have a slight comments on what u said!btw sorry i cant write in arabic, i wont finish 2day:P
1) wat is wrong with imitating his grandpa? i think that guy alongside other ppl got us our independence! so if he's got the positive sides of his grandpa thats gd!
2) i c in sami potential, potential of a project that can lead somewhere! im a teenager i like to vote for ppl that i have no age gap with...and he is one of them!(in addition to having a vision alongside age)
3)you are pointing out small things in his past,point out to me political statements which he said that are wrong then i think we'll have a debate!

[Choukou]

I'm reading the posts in here and let me say something even though I disagree with Kataeb on some issues but really I'm impressed with the calmness and tehzib!! Welcome to the forum

[Choukou]

Originally Posted by Kataeb

meghwar man, so it is wrong to be against someone and then b frnds? does that ring a big bell, look at ur election book of 2005 and 2009 dont u c a slight difference, you were attacking syria and looks like some ppl paid a visit 2 them a couple of months, does the statement " waje7 l madefi3 3a demashek" give a nudge or smthgn? if there is someone that should accuse us of wanting 2 be frnds with ppl we were 'politically' against it is not u or ur stand point! and this is not the point riyt now, we're way off! back to samy he has a goal which he set and i think he is taking the initiatives to back up his word and get 2 some place! all have failed,yet im in with the slightess hope that comes from the horizon! and that is enough 4 me, coz as i said it takes real guts to attack ur dad on tv in the open, and that proves that nothing will stand in his waying of saying the truth, that is not even close, wasn't he there with all of us guys wa2ta l muzaharat bel 90s? i would b with anyone that would do that regardless!

Now back to business lol

kataed u are making me go back and remind u with some things it seems either u don't remember them or u failed to understant them.

1- Yes we attacked and fought Syria to the end when she was IN Lebanon and not when she left, we are proud of what we did during the Syrian occupation and we will never regret it! GMA's visit to Syria was after the opening of the new embassies and for sure after Syria left Lebanon not like others who visited Syria when Syria was in Lebanon. We never said Syria was an enemy even under the bombs in 1989 GMA told the Syrians we are willing to start a new relation with you but first u must know and realize that Lebanon is a Free, independent country. This was in 1989 we kept our word and when the Syrians left, GMA went to syria and told its president you left lebanon now it is time to solve the problems between the two countries and start a normal relation like any other two countries on the same border. In 2006 during the war on lebanon, Syria kept its borders open to all the Lebanese and the food and medicines kept on arriving to the Lebanese people from this border. It is not for ur benefit or mine to call Syria an enemy as long as she is not interfering in our Lebanese problems.

2- In 2005 FPM wrote the Orange Book (program) and again we never did regret anything we wrote in it. In 2009 believe it or not we wrote the same book but we added one point that made u forget about what is FPM or what is the Orange Book, the point was the word resistance to protect the country. We didn't know Hizballah back then and in 2006 we did we set down together and wrote 10 points we both agreed on. We trusted HA and they trusted us because we thought as Lebanese and not as Christians trying to divide Lebanon to two parts Christians and Muslims! Your problem is not with the 2005 program because I'm sure u didn't read it in 2005 and ur problem was not with the 2009 FPM program because also u didn't read it, your problem as the Kataeb party was to stop FPM from getting to power because u know FPM is not like any other party we fight for what's wrong w ma mneskout!! And this still ur problem u are willing to talk with franjieh and everyone u see but not FPM.

Hizballah was never the main problem for u because u as a Kataeb party u know very well that Hizballah is a Lebanese party like u and its people are 100% Lebanese not form Iran or Syria u can do nothing to Hizballah if 95% of the Chiaa in lebanon support and believe this party, same like hariri u can do nothing as long as the majority of his people are with him. You know la mafar min hizballah and Future movement u will deal with them sooner or later. ur problem is with FPM and General Aoun because he is not like any other leader, he is not ta2ife he never attacked Armenians,chiaa,sunnis... ya3ne bel 3arabe lemchabra7 he is not Amin Jmayil u just used Hizballah in the elections to scare people against FPM.

3- About sami he is like his father whether u agree or not, they have the same ideas u are happy sami stood against his father on TV? Oh well what did u want this poor kid to do go up on TV and start defending his father w ybarir maw2af bayo or say I don’t agree with him?

Sorry I didn't want to go back to the past but u made me too.

Katabet ktir I know ma tseboule

[Kataeb]

since the begining of this forum i have recieved to congrats on my calmness, i should be calm coz i witness our politicians with "sisan" jlabeet and zonar w nezil...and i dont c that as politics, i c it as a mawdu3 ensha full of tashabeeh! in addition there is smthng called fallacy in the language which means that u attack the person rather than his point of views, and it is obvious that it is wrong!

anw concerning ur first point i agree but let me remind abt a sentence in ur book that attacks "the joined security" between lebanon and syria, to you the assasinations were clearly coming from syria but later on you started 2 question, that is the misleading point to me!and i dont want to be an enemy with syria, yet i just want everything to be "3al 2usul", i want mazeri3 sheb3a let them admit they are ours! y has this taken so long? and 4 ur record syria helped the lebanese army in the war on naher l berid and that adds to ur point that i cant deny the benifits of our relations!


2)your 2nd point is dangerous! it is not that we r scaring ppl! ppl already know the dangerous of the weapons! i dunno how old u r! but back in 2006 i was entering my terminal year, and suddenly i wake up one morning to find israel attacking me!it is like devastating i didnt know when they will stop will my dreams vanish? will i have terminal? or will i have 2 imigrate to study?i dont want that! i dont even want that for anyone! my loss couldnt have been close to ppl who lost family members and that was uneseccary too!you might argue israel was planning on attacking us...then i would have defended you coz then it wouldnt have been your fault to initialise the war! it is not ppl listen 2 14 march and say:"oh yeah i am scared" they have witnessed it in the past years!


3) it is not the fact eno sami ybarer aw attack his father it is the fact that he speaks wat he believes!

im not here to convince anyone of changing position, coz i know non of the parties is perfect, it is that each party is perfect to some ppl and not others, but all i want to shed the light on is that regardless of whether we like the party or not, we cant deny the presence of gd politicians in both and if and if only these ruled, i think lebanon would be better than fine!

now i am rly sorry i talked alot :P have a gd day at beach all!im off now, so i wont reply till niyt so dont accumilate the attacks a lot:P!

[majousseh]

Originally Posted by Kataeb

im a teenager i like to vote for ppl that i have no age gap with...and he is one of them!(in addition to having a vision alongside age)
you are pointing out small things in his past,point out to me political statements which he said that are wrong then i think we'll have a debate!

Federalism and supremacist language and lying are not "small things". These "political" view and behavior are sins not only "wrong acts".

Can i understand that if he repeats these "small things" u'll change ur mind on him ?