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[Patriotic]

العالم المستكبرمتفق علىحربنا
أيهاالمستضعفون الأحرار: إن دول العالم المستكبرالظالم في الغرب والشرق قد اجتمعوا على محاربتنا، وراحوا يحرِّضونعملاءهم ضدنايحاولون تشويه سمعتنا وافتراءالأكاذيب علينا.. (في محاولة خبيثة للفصل بيننا وبينالمستضعفين الطيبين، وفي سعي حثيث لتقزيم ومسخ الإنجازات المهمةوالكبرى على مستوىمواجهتنا لأمريكا وحلفائها… لقد حاولت أمريكا عبر عملائها المحليين أن توحي للناسبأن من قضى على غطرستها في لبنان وأخرجها ذليلة خائبة وسحقمؤامرتها على المستضعفينفي هذه البلاد، همليسوا إلا حفنة من المتعصبين الإرهابين الذين لا شأن لهم إلابتفجير محلات الخمور والقمار وآلات اللهو وغيرذلك.
ولكن كنّا على يقين بأن مثل هذهالإيحاءات لنتخدع أمتنا؛ لأن العالم بأسره يعلمأن من يفكر بمواجهة أمريكا والاستكبار العالميلا يلجأ إلى مثل هذه الأعمال الهامشية التي تشغله بالذيلعنالرأس

[Patriotic]

It seems it is not working like that i will post the document as word, i will attach it.

[Grim]

Hey guys, why don't you make this thread sticky ? Come ooooon ! It's just a flag

[lara]

thanks Patriotic

i like this "open letter" and every word written in this letter is another proof that Israel is the only enemy of Hizbollah and the revolution is only against israel .

and there is nothing in the letter that prove that hizbollah want islamic republic in lebanon , bel3akes they consider this issue as a small dtails never care about it :لقد حاولت أمريكا عبر عملائها المحليين أن توحي للناسبأن من قضى على غطرستها في لبنان وأخرجها ذليلة خائبة وسحقمؤامرتها على المستضعفينفي هذه البلاد، همليسوا إلا حفنة من المتعصبين الإرهابين الذين لا شأن لهم إلابتفجير محلات الخمور والقمار وآلات اللهو وغيرذلك، لأن العالم بأسره يعلمأن من يفكر بمواجهة أمريكا والاستكبار العالميلا يلجأ إلى مثل هذه الأعمال الهامشية التي تشغله بالذيلعنالرأس

coz their big issue is just fighting israel and the winning of weak and poor people , and its a very great issue .

btw , whats the source of this letter ? and i wonder why u didn't post the source under it ?

[lara]

نلتزم بأوامرقيادة واحدة حكيمة وعادلة تتمثل بالولي الفقيه الجامع

very good , i already told you about ولاية الفقيه role according to Hizbollah and thats it :

في موضوع إقامة الدولة الاسلامية، أكد قياديو "حزب الله" وفقهاؤه مراراً بكلام واضح وصريح أنه من وجهة نظر الحزب وخلفيته العقائدية "حتى لو لم يكن هناك مسيحيون في لبنان ليس هناك إمكانية لقيام جمهورية إسلامية، وهذا الأمر محسوم لديهم عقائدياً". فهم يؤمنون بنظرية "ولاية الفقيه" التي تقول: "لا يمكن إقامة حكم إسلامي إلا برضى الناس، أي انه على المستوى العملي ووفق نظرية ولاية الفقيه لا يمكن إقامة حكم الله أو بمعنى آخر حكومة إسلامية إلا إذا كانت أكثرية الناس تقبل بها وتصوّت لها، بالتالي هذا الأمر محسوم، حتى لو لم يكن هناك مسيحيون ولا حتى سنّة، يمكن أن تطرح المشكلة بين الشيعة أنفسهم، لذا لا يمكن إقامة الدولة الاسلامية في لبنان ْ". ء

regards

[hammerguy]

Originally Posted by Patriotic

Do you really think that i am playing on words??? What does the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION IN LEBANON means???
As for the prove that Hezbollah is not Lebanese, simply by checking their flag and their UMAH war.
As for what they should write, it is so simple, AL MOUKAWAMA AL ISLAMIYA AL LOUBNANIYA.

Because, IN Lebanon, we have the US Ambassy IN Lebanon, we have the Srilankan Ambassy IN Lebanon, we have McDonnald's branches IN Lebanon, we have Hyunday company IN Lebanon, we have The AUB and those all are foreigns ambassies, universities and companies, while we have THE LEBANESE UNIVERSITY, we have the Lebanaise Des Jeux, and many other LEBANESE companies.
So simple, Hizbollah is a representative of a FOREIGN party/militia/site IN Lebanon.
Maybe he is the representative of GOD on earth, but on both sides, he is coming from the outside of our borders.

peace bro
Just wanna tell that this is no argument and it proves nothing concerning
HA not being lebanese. Why ? It's so simple
"In Lebanon" does indicate the location as u said and not the identity,
so it's not sufficient to prove if HA is lebanese but it does not prove the opposite as well.
As u said there r many things "In Lebanon" that r not lebanese and u gave examples, but let give u another example, what do u understand if i tell u :
"i'm a citizen in Lebanon", of course that i'm a lebanese citizen.
In brief, to know the identity u need to look at the first part of the expression and that's why all the examples u gave r not lebanese.
Back to the slogan on the flag, the first part is "The Islamic Resistance":
it's a resistance that call to fight an oppressor country, to liberate lebanese land and defend lebanese people. Maybe it's enough to prove that HA is a lebanese resistance, but i'll go further more.
U might say that Che Guevara resisted the oppressor forces all over the world, he fighted in Kongo but he wasn't a kongolian resistance leader.
In HA's case, it's clear that its leader, members, MPs and resistants r all lebanese.
And thus i can come to the conclusion that
"The Islamic Resistance In Lebanon" is equal to "The Lebanese Islamic Resistance", just like "i'm a citizen in lebanon" is equal to "i'm a lebanese citizen".

PS: i think it's childish to still talk about if any lebanese party is lebanese or not, and it would be better to talk about its policies and behavior.
Cheers.

[Ghnadine]

Originally Posted by lara

thanks Patriotic

i like this "open letter" and every word written in this letter is another proof that Israel is the only enemy of Hizbollah and the revolution is only against israel .

and there is nothing in the letter that prove that hizbollah want islamic republic in lebanon , bel3akes they consider this issue as a small dtails never care about it :لقد حاولت أمريكا عبر عملائها المحليين أن توحي للناسبأن من قضى على غطرستها في لبنان وأخرجها ذليلة خائبة وسحقمؤامرتها على المستضعفينفي هذه البلاد، همليسوا إلا حفنة من المتعصبين الإرهابين الذين لا شأن لهم إلابتفجير محلات الخمور والقمار وآلات اللهو وغيرذلك، لأن العالم بأسره يعلمأن من يفكر بمواجهة أمريكا والاستكبار العالميلا يلجأ إلى مثل هذه الأعمال الهامشية التي تشغله بالذيلعنالرأس

coz their big issue is just fighting israel and the winning of weak and poor people , and its a very great issue .

btw , whats the source of this letter ? and i wonder why u didn't post the source under it ?

I read tis article to show you thatUSA and Israel do try to control and change everything as they please read on and see:

Surrounded by red and white Lebanese flags, soldier Michael Sweiden of the Lebanese Forces emphasized he was Christian Lebanese.

"We love Israel", he told me. "Israel helps us. Israel is like our mother."
Years before its role in the so-called "Cedar Revolution" (a moniker coined by US Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky, a signatory to the Project for a New American Century), Israel awarded citizenship and grants of up to $10,000 to South Lebanon Army soldiers who collaborated with the Israeli Defense Forces during Lebanon's civil war.The Israeli newspaper Haaretz revealed, "Senior officials at Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office were in touch with Lebanese leaders even before the current crisis." Backed by American and Israeli neocons, a Christian Lebanese Likud is proxying Israel's second invasion.

One example is the Lebanese Foundation for Peace, a self-styled "Government of Lebanon in Exile in Jerusalem" founded by former Lebanese Forces' military intelligence officer Nagi Najjar.
Najjar, a CIA consultant, testified not so long ago in support of Ariel Sharon's "complete innocence" in the Sabra and Shatila affair against charges by Human Rights Watch and regional governments.
Najjar has also paired with Mossad agent Yossef Bodansky while lobbying the U.S. congress to intervene in Hezbollah-dominated south Lebanon. His NGO, The Lebanese Foundation for Peace, endorsed the AIPAC-sponsored sanctions against Syria, known as the Syria Accountability / Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003.
On his LFP website featuring an Israeli flag, Najjar's "government in exile" issued an official declaration; "We, the people of Free Lebanon, thank Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom for the campaign launched by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Afffairs aimed at ousting Syria from occupying Lebanon."
Another NGO of the Lebanese Likud is the United States Committee for a Free Lebanon. Its President, Ziad Abdel Nour is the son of wealthy Lebanese Minister of Parliament Khalil Abdel Nour
United States Committee for a Free Lebanon. Its President, Ziad Abdel Nour is the son of wealthy Lebanese Minister of Parliament Khalil Abdel Nour. USCFL partners with designated "democratizers" such as the American Enterprise Institute (created by Lebanese-American William Baroody, Sr.), Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, Republican Jewish Coalition, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Middle East Forum, the Hudson Institute and kindred pro-Israel lobbies.

The USCFL hails former Lebanese president Amin Gemayel for signing a peace deal with Israel in 1983.(According to the UAE's late president Sheik Zayed bin sultan Al Nahyan, Saddam Hussein agreed to leave Iraq before the war in 2003 to halt the invasion. But Amin Gemayel, the mediator between Saddam and the US administration, wrongly informed the US that Hussein had rejected all offers of exile).
Abdel Nour's other links include the World Lebanese Organization, which advocates Israel's re-occupation of south Lebanon. In 2000, he and neocon Daniel Pipes composed the policy paper"Ending Syria's Occupation of Lebanon: the US Role" and together co-author the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin. The bulletin is a project of the neocon Middle East Forum and is a frequent resource for American intelligence agencies. On November 2, 2005 Abdel Nour updated me on the Syrian crisis by phone.


Schuh: What is the future of Syria, of President Bashar Al Assad's situation?

Nour: Both the Syrian and Lebanese regimes will be changed- whether they like it or not- whether it's going to be a military coup or something else... and we are working on it. We know already exactly who's going to be the replacements. We're working on it with the Bush administration. This is a Nazi regime of 30 years, killing ministers, presidents and stuff like that. They must be removed. These guys who came to power, who rule by power, can only be removed by power. This is Machiavelli's power game. That's how it is. This is how geopolitics -- the war games, power games -- work. I know inside out how it works, because I come from a family of politicians for the last 60 years. Look, I have access to the top classified information from the CIA from all over the world. They call me, I advise them. I know exactly what's going on. And this will happen.

Q: So would they remove the entire Assad family?

A: Why not? Who is Bashar Al Assad?

Q: I didn't see forensic proof in the Mehlis report that would legally convict Assad of Hariri's death in a court of law.

A: I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn, frankly.This Bashar Al Assad-Emil Lahoud regime is going to go whether it's true or not. When we went to Iraq whether there were weapons of mass destruction or not, the key is -- we won. And Saddam is out! Whatever we want, will happen. Iran? We will not let Iran become a nuclear power. We'll find a way, we'll find an excuse- to get rid of Iran. And I don't care what the excuse is. There is no room for rogue states in the world. Whether we lie about it, or invent something, or we don't... I don't care. The end justifies the means. What's right? Might is right, might is right. That's it. Might is right.

Q: You sound just like Saddam. Those were his rules too.

A: So Saddam wanted to prove to the whole world he was strong? Well, we're stronger- he's out! He's finished. And Iran's going to be finished and every single Arab regime that's like this will be finished. Because there is no room for us capitalists and multinationalists in the world to operate with regimes like this. Its all about money. And power. And wealth... and democracy has to be spread around the world. Those who want to espouse globalization are going to make a lot of money, be happy, their families will be happy. And those who aren't going to play this game are going to be crushed, whether they like it or not! This is how we rule. And this is how it's going to be as long as you have people who think like me.

Q: When will this regime change take place?

A: Within 6 months, in both Lebanon and Syria.

Q: Some names of replacements?

A: It is classified. There are going to be replacements and we know who they are, but I cannot mention the names.

Q: Will this be done peacefully?

A: It doesn't matter. The end justifies the means. I don't care about how it's done. The important thing is that it is done. I don't rule out force. I'm not against force. If it's an option, it will be an option.

Q: But if it's just trading Syrian control for American or Israeli control?

A: I have -- we have -- absolutely no problem with heavy US involvement in Lebanon. On an economic level, military level, political level, security level... whatever it is. Israel is the 51st state of the United States. Let Lebanon be the 52nd state. And if the Arabs don't like it, tough luck.
US-Israeli intervention in Lebanon has a long history. In 1950's Beirut, The U.S. oil companies and the CIA paid bribes to Maronite Catholic President Camille Chamoun to buy allegiance against Lebanese Muslims, and the pan-Arab threat of Nasser.

[lebanese_a]

Originally Posted by lara

نلتزم بأوامرقيادة واحدة حكيمة وعادلة تتمثل بالولي الفقيه الجامع

very good , i already told you about ولاية الفقيه role according to Hizbollah and thats it :

في موضوع إقامة الدولة الاسلامية، أكد قياديو "حزب الله" وفقهاؤه مراراً بكلام واضح وصريح أنه من وجهة نظر الحزب وخلفيته العقائدية "حتى لو لم يكن هناك مسيحيون في لبنان ليس هناك إمكانية لقيام جمهورية إسلامية، وهذا الأمر محسوم لديهم عقائدياً". فهم يؤمنون بنظرية "ولاية الفقيه" التي تقول: "لا يمكن إقامة حكم إسلامي إلا برضى الناس، أي انه على المستوى العملي ووفق نظرية ولاية الفقيه لا يمكن إقامة حكم الله أو بمعنى آخر حكومة إسلامية إلا إذا كانت أكثرية الناس تقبل بها وتصوّت لها، بالتالي هذا الأمر محسوم، حتى لو لم يكن هناك مسيحيون ولا حتى سنّة، يمكن أن تطرح المشكلة بين الشيعة أنفسهم، لذا لا يمكن إقامة الدولة الاسلامية في لبنان ْ". ء

regards

Well that's very good, they actually say so in the letter, but the weird thing in the letter is that they say that they we will destroy those who do not agree with then, coz they are Americo-Imperialist-Zionist-European-... but we will accept anyone who doesn't agree with our rule. If someone could explain that to us, that would be great.

[El-Meghwar]

Please everyone stick to the thread .
if you want to discuss another subject you can open another thread .
thank you .