Arabs or not ??

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

feek t2elle wat are the rules of the lebanese language ?

It is just broken arabic with some added dala3 and a twist of me7*n...

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by SysTaMatIcS

feek t2elle wat are the rules of the lebanese language ?

A big part of the Lebanese language is formed from Phoenician words mixed with Arabic words...
Search for something called the Phoenician dictionary and you will realize that the Lebanese language is not Arabic, and a lot of our Lebanese words are a part of the old Phoenician language.

[The Princess]

Originally Posted by abousoun

hehehehehe i like your spirit ... so ambitious, so enthusiastic, and so youthful ...

Anyway this debate or any other debate is surely not a negative thing ... it's always healthy to see and listen to arguments and different point of views ...

If this debate changed a little thing or confirmed something inside just a single member or visitor then the purpose of this thread had reached its goal, and even if it didn't change anything it's also a positive thing ...
The aim isn't to solve or change the lebanese mentality or its social problems, but at least to be able to discuss them without restrains ...

so saying it's a stupid thing and waste of valuable time is something offensive to many (at least to my knowledge) ...
I don't think when you registered to this forum you were planning to create computers and cell phones and thinking about how you'll reach which planet in which galaxy !!!!!

Again I like your spirit, but take it easy dear :P

Thank You ...

I didn't mean to be offensivesorry
But some members are just talking to talk without a purpose! they're just sticking to their opinions without any reasons! I think it's wrong to say we're not arabs cz we're not arabs or we're arabs cz we speak arabic!!
It shouldn't be like "فسر الماء بالماء" cz it won't have a meaning!

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

A big part of the Lebanese language is formed from Phoenician words mixed with Arabic words...
Search for something called the Phoenician dictionary and you will realize that the Lebanese language is not Arabic, and a lot of our Lebanese words are a part of the old Phoenician language.

your talking about slang!!! not "fos7a" , and how the hell is even the slang arabic language a phonecian language??? we speak ARABIC , almost 90% close to the syrian and the palastenian tongue , and 60% to the gulf and etc...

Originally Posted by The Princess

I didn't mean to be offensivesorry
But some members are just talking to talk without a purpose! they're just sticking to their opinions without any reasons! I think it's wrong to say we're not arabs cz we're not arabs or we're arabs cz we speak arabic!!
It shouldn't be like "فسر الماء بالماء" cz it won't have a meaning!

if you wonna know who are the REAL arabs , the onesi n the gulf , egypt , libya , algeria , tunisia , morroco , arent arabs!! BUT by time they became a part that is undevidable from the whole arabic nation , and so did we!

[H@SSàN]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

A big part of the Lebanese language is formed from Phoenician words mixed with Arabic words...
Search for something called the Phoenician dictionary and you will realize that the Lebanese language is not Arabic, and a lot of our Lebanese words are a part of the old Phoenician language.

can you please give us some examples

[Bonjus26]

this topic right here is a great example of why Lebanon would never become a fully functioning country that is able to hold everyone no matter what religion/colour/belief they have.

Why cant you all just agree to disagree?? everyone has a different point of view regarding everything no one is right, everyone is biased even those who claim to be neutral. If you want to be an Arab go ahead, if you want to be Phoenician go ahead at the end of the day when you go somewhere and people ask you where are you from you say "im from Lebanon" you dont say im from Arabia or im from Phoenicia.. we are Lebanese, we dont agree with each other, learn to live with it because were not changing.

Cheers

[El-Meghwar]

Originally Posted by HaSSàN-87

can you please give us some examples

Lebanese is a Semitic language that was derived from the Aramaic language. Aramaic replaced the Canaanite language that was spoken by the Phoenicians in the region until around the days of Jesus Christ. Aramaic was spoken in the whole region until about 900 AD. Later, the people in Lebanon were speaking several dialects of Aramaic especially in the mountains of Lebanon. Syriac-Aramaic was the dominant dialect in the mountains and North Lebanon, while some Arabic dialects were spoken in some coastal cities and South Lebanon by the 13th century. By the 17th Century, a large population had moved from the Lebanese mountains to the coastal cities. The people of Lebanon blended their Aramaic with Arabic utilizing Arabic words in their spoken Aramaic, and from the 17th to 20th centuries, some of the Turkish language was incorporated. The Lebanese language kept developing and some French was introduced in the 20th century. During the past couple decades, some English terms became part of the Lebanese daily conversation.
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Some Lebanese words from Phoenician origin: (bold: as written and pronounced during the Phoenician time)

Accountant (; محاسب) MḢCB, Pronounced Mḣecib ;محاشب

All (; كل) KL, Pronounced "Kil", "كل"


Altar ( مذبح) MZBḢ, Pronounced "Mazbaḣ"

And ( و) W, Pronouced "Ww"

Arm ( يَد) YD, Pronounced "Yad"

Beirut ( بيروت) B`RT, pronounced "Bi`rut"

Belly ( بطن) BṪN, pronounced "Baṫn"

and many other words..

this topic right here is a great example of why Lebanon would never become a fully functioning country that is able to hold everyone no matter what religion/colour/belief they have.

Why cant you all just agree to disagree?? everyone has a different point of view regarding everything no one is right, everyone is biased even those who claim to be neutral. If you want to be an Arab go ahead, if you want to be Phoenician go ahead at the end of the day when you go somewhere and people ask you where are you from you say "im from Lebanon" you dont say im from Arabia or im from Phoenicia.. we are Lebanese, we dont agree with each other, learn to live with it because were not changing.

Cheers

That's what i kept saying since the beginning but no one is willing to read.
We are Lebanese, we speak Lebanese, our culture is Lebanese.

Lebanese = a mixture of different cultures, races, religions etc...
Lebanese is not only a nationality, it is a special identity, culture, civilization, just like the Arab one and the Phoenician one etc..

[majousseh]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Lebanese is a Semitic language that was derived from the Aramaic language. Aramaic replaced the Canaanite language that was spoken by the Phoenicians in the region until around the days of Jesus Christ. Aramaic was spoken in the whole region until about 900 AD. Later, the people in Lebanon were speaking several dialects of Aramaic especially in the mountains of Lebanon. Syriac-Aramaic was the dominant dialect in the mountains and North Lebanon, while some Arabic dialects were spoken in some coastal cities and South Lebanon by the 13th century. By the 17th Century, a large population had moved from the Lebanese mountains to the coastal cities. The people of Lebanon blended their Aramaic with Arabic utilizing Arabic words in their spoken Aramaic, and from the 17th to 20th centuries, some of the Turkish language was incorporated. The Lebanese language kept developing and some French was introduced in the 20th century. During the past couple decades, some English terms became part of the Lebanese daily conversation.
Some Lebanese words from Phoenician origin:

Accountant (; محاسب) MḢCB, Pronounced Mḣecib ;محاشب

All (; كل) KL, Pronounced "Kil", "كل"


Altar ( مذبح) MZBḢ, Pronounced "Mazbaḣ"

And ( و) W, Pronouced "Ww"

Arm ( يَد) YD, Pronounced "Yad"

Beirut ( بيروت) B`RT, pronounced "Bi`rut"

Belly ( بطن) BṪN, pronounced "Baṫn"

المفردات التي ذكرتها هي عربية من جذور فينيقية. هذا طبيعي. الحضارات كما اللغات التي تميزها لم تعش في التاريخ في جزر معزولة. و اللغة العربية تأثرت كما غيرها بحضارات ولغات بعضها ما زال موجوداً وبعضها زال. لكن ذلك لم يمنع كل لغة أن تستمر بخصوصيتها
فاللغة الفرنسية مثلاً تزخر بالمفردات العربية، فهل اصبحوا عرب ؟

alchimie / chimie de al-kīmiā' (الكيمياء)
alcool de al-kuḥūl (الكحول), le verbe kaḥala (كحل) avoir les yeux cernés, avoir mal dormi.
alcazar de al-Qasr (القصر) : palais fortifié
amiral de amyr al-baḥār (أميرالبحار) : prince de la mer
assassin dériv' de ḥašāšwn (حشاشون)
baraquer de l'arabe baraka (برك) : s'accroupir, pour un chameau.
cafard dans le sens faux dévot : de kafir (كافر) : infidèle
caïd de qa'id (قائد) : dirigeant, chef.
calibre de qālib (قالب) : modèle; moule ou du persan (قالب) : gâteau; moule; modèle
carafe de ḡarafa (غرف) : puiser de l'eau et de ḡarrāfa (غرافة) : carafe
échec et mat de l'arabe venant du persan šah māt, (شاه مات) : le chah (roi) est muet, est neutralisé, est mort
emir, toubib, douane, elixir.......

wait a minute, i am a majousseh!!! why in the name of the great persian god of fire, i am defending arabic ???!!!!!! ok, i'll quit :P

[SysTaMatIcS]

Originally Posted by El-Meghwar

Lebanese is a Semitic language that was derived from the Aramaic language. Aramaic replaced the Canaanite language that was spoken by the Phoenicians in the region until around the days of Jesus Christ. Aramaic was spoken in the whole region until about 900 AD. Later, the people in Lebanon were speaking several dialects of Aramaic especially in the mountains of Lebanon. Syriac-Aramaic was the dominant dialect in the mountains and North Lebanon, while some Arabic dialects were spoken in some coastal cities and South Lebanon by the 13th century. By the 17th Century, a large population had moved from the Lebanese mountains to the coastal cities. The people of Lebanon blended their Aramaic with Arabic utilizing Arabic words in their spoken Aramaic, and from the 17th to 20th centuries, some of the Turkish language was incorporated. The Lebanese language kept developing and some French was introduced in the 20th century. During the past couple decades, some English terms became part of the Lebanese daily conversation.
------------------------------------------------

Some Lebanese words from Phoenician origin: (bold: as written and pronounced during the Phoenician time)

Accountant (; محاسب) MḢCB, Pronounced Mḣecib ;محاشب

All (; كل) KL, Pronounced "Kil", "كل"


Altar ( مذبح) MZBḢ, Pronounced "Mazbaḣ"

And ( و) W, Pronouced "Ww"

Arm ( يَد) YD, Pronounced "Yad"

Beirut ( بيروت) B`RT, pronounced "Bi`rut"

Belly ( بطن) BṪN, pronounced "Baṫn"

and many other words..


That's what i kept saying since the beginning but no one is willing to read.
We are Lebanese, we speak Lebanese, our culture is Lebanese.

Lebanese = a mixture of different cultures, races, religions etc...
Lebanese is not only a nationality, it is a special identity, culture, civilization, just like the Arab one and the Phoenician one etc..

you stated arabic words ,,does that mean that saudia arabians are Phoenicians ?

[Bonjus26]

Just thought id butt in again, Even claiming that we are Phoenician is a shame, not to us but to the actuall Pheonicians because they gave the world something, they gave it the alphabet the boat the colour purple they even reached Brasil and America etc. We cant deny our history.. the Italians dont go around saying they are Roman, the Egyptians dont go around saying they are Pharoahs, Greeks dont walk around saying they are Spartans but they acknowledge their history and thats all that needs to be done.

As Lebanese all we have given the world is Na2.. men ne2 24/7 ma shi 3ejebna "nehna Arab..la2 nehna Phoenician, Lebnen bi Asia la2 Lebnen bi Africa.. mish 3am tetlouj.. 3am tetlouj ktir.. ma fi shames.. yii l shames 3am tehre2ne..mafi kahraba.. ijit lyoum l kahraba ktirr shu sayir..bede siyara.. ma ma3e masari ta ishtre siyara" na2 wou na2 , so seriously lets not take the achievments of the Great Phoenicians and claim them as ours.

we are Lebanese, gathered from all over the world due to the settlements that took place in our country, we have many different religions we have many different points of view. But at the end of the day we all care about Lebanon and are all Brothers and sisters from the same country. ya3ne please khalsouna ba2a with this debate, ra7 y3amro buildings 3al amar wou ne7na ba3edna "Pheni2e la2 3arabe". WE have more important things happening in our country than this debate, we have elections coming up that we need to win. Lets quit the whole idea of always wanting to belong to something and start to think as one for the sake and future of this country.